Formula, Avid, now Shimano. All new. Not one was bled when it arrived. Even the highly rated Shimano Saint arrived today with lever firmness of a 1/10. (Free stroke adjustment did nothing). Spoke to Shimano and Tree fort bikes. Their solution: Shimano says not our problem if brakes aren't properly bled, happens all the time. Tree Fort bikes: we'll send you some mineral oil. I don't mind bleeding brakes. But when you spend as much as you do on Saints, I was expecting a pretty good bleed from the factory.