Trails
These on private property or public???
These on private property or public???
North Shore trails in Northern NJ
How would you guys feel about a new section of woods in Ramsey NJ containing North Shore style jumps and stunts. A friend and I have finally taken out the hammer and nails and have started our first stunt. It's a fairly steep 5 foot ladder bridge leading up onto a 7 foot long bridge into a drop onto a downhill slope, so the drop is probably about 7-8 feet. There is tons of potential in this place, the problem is helping hands. Sure we will keep adding stuff all summer, probably about 2 stunts a week, or 1 trail a week, depending on if we are able to go everyday of that week. The overall length of each trail isn't very long, however we are trying to make them highly condensed with many berms, jumps, and stunts. The trails are definitely more oriented towards freeride and downhill, but with some work we can also make a pretty long XC loop. Reguardless of other riders helping us we want to introduce these trails because we feel if this place gets more attension we can really make it into a haven for all mountain bikers... Thanks for listening
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They are on New Jersey Green Acres Property, so technically they are on public property.Bob W said:These on private property or public???
Unfortunately it doesn't matter if it is public property, you still need to get permission from the land manager to built features or cut trail. If caught you could be arrested so you should be aware of that. If it were legal to build whatever we wanted the state would be full of all sorts of cool features, but this is NJ and we must abide by the rules. :madman:ajd245246 said:They are on New Jersey Green Acres Property, so technically they are on public property.
I agree with you, however these trails have been here for tens of years, they were originally made by dirtbikers, who are known, that have now moved on to college and what-not. We are simply adding to pre-existing trails.gt2brew said:Unfortunately it doesn't matter if it is public property, you still need to get permission from the land manager to built features or cut trail. If caught you could be arrested so you should be aware of that. If it were legal to build whatever we wanted the state would be full of all sorts of cool features, but this is NJ and we must abide by the rules. :madman:
Understood. But creating man-made features in a public area will only draw negative attention to our user group. Other users will use that against all of us and create access issues in the future. Another thing to consider is that land managers tend to surf the forums as well, so an open discussion of creating stunts is not advised. Thanksajd245246 said:I agree with you, however these trails have been here for tens of years, they were originally made by dirtbikers, who are known, that have now moved on to college and what-not. We are simply adding to pre-existing trails.
Good point, I respect you for actually giving me a good answer. Thanks for telling me that because I didn't take that into account. :thumbsup:gt2brew said:Understood. But creating man-made features in a public area will only draw negative attention to our user group. Other users will use that against all of us and create access issues in the future. Another thing to consider is that land managers tend to surf the forums as well, so an open discussion of creating stunts is not advised. Thanks
North Jersey can definitely use some north shore style trails. Especially Ringwood, and i dont mean big drops only, more bridges and use of down trees. lets get to it, and yes i do dig.
Brozie
Brozie
yea those type of trails would be sick at ringwood, and i like what you mean, it doesn't need to be anything huge, but there are so many places for new trails like that to be build back there, we just need volunteers.
Volunteers
Have you ever tried to show up at a trail maintenance session at Ringwood? It would be a good place to meet the people that work so hard to keep these parks open and you may learn something about LEGAL trail building and keeping the parks open to all users.
Have you ever tried to show up at a trail maintenance session at Ringwood? It would be a good place to meet the people that work so hard to keep these parks open and you may learn something about LEGAL trail building and keeping the parks open to all users.
Come on...
I think the message is clear, we cant go building this type of stuff on public land. Unless that is you want to get things shut down. Yeah would I like to have this type of stuff, sure, BUT this is not how it gets done!
Get involved with a organized TM group, look at www.jorba.org for a local chapter. It so happens that there is a really active chapter in Ringwood. And you know what they are building tech stuff, maybe not ladders but great stuff with rock!
Check it out,
Bob W.
I think the message is clear, we cant go building this type of stuff on public land. Unless that is you want to get things shut down. Yeah would I like to have this type of stuff, sure, BUT this is not how it gets done!
Get involved with a organized TM group, look at www.jorba.org for a local chapter. It so happens that there is a really active chapter in Ringwood. And you know what they are building tech stuff, maybe not ladders but great stuff with rock!
Check it out,
Bob W.
There is a common theme here: we all want more challenge in our rides, but we have to do it the right (legal) way. Our chapter heads are working hard to get permission from the land managers to add features, but they are slow to respond at times. When illegal trails and stunts are built we all drop down a notch in the land managers eyes. If you want to assist in building trails check in with Art and Ellen at Ringwood, they are awesome people who have worked their butts off for years to improve the trails.
Definitely,
If you want to take out the hammer and nails, Definitely do it on Private Property w/ the consent of the owner.
Doing is on public land will definitely end in a bad and frustrating way. Enjoy the trails that are there, but building hammer/nail style is gonna go bad. You're gonna put hours in and have it dismantled and that's gonna suck. Or... contact the land manager first, tell them what you have in mind. At least if you get an approval your work will stay.
If you want to take out the hammer and nails, Definitely do it on Private Property w/ the consent of the owner.
Doing is on public land will definitely end in a bad and frustrating way. Enjoy the trails that are there, but building hammer/nail style is gonna go bad. You're gonna put hours in and have it dismantled and that's gonna suck. Or... contact the land manager first, tell them what you have in mind. At least if you get an approval your work will stay.
There is some of that sort of stuff in Ramapo SF. Ladders to drops, Gaps, tables, rock gardens, 1 monster drop, and a few fun natural rock features. I've never seen anyone else ride these, and would be more than willing to point them out. Additionally where in Ramsey are these existing trails? Please PM me if you don't want to divulge the information publically.
Check ur PMKeen515 said:There is some of that sort of stuff in Ramapo SF. Ladders to drops, Gaps, tables, rock gardens, 1 monster drop, and a few fun natural rock features. I've never seen anyone else ride these, and would be more than willing to point them out. Additionally where in Ramsey are these existing trails? Please PM me if you don't want to divulge the information publically.
Listen guys, I'm not talking about going to Ringwood and making huge features, or building anything at Ringwood for that matter. I'm talking about the woods behind my house, and the only other person I've seen back there is my neighbor walking her dog. It isn't like Ringwood, and believe me I know where you are all coming from and I agree with you. To build that stuff at Ringwood, or any state park for that matter you need to go through the llegal processes first.
Cool, thanks :thumbsup:ajd245246 said:Listen guys, I'm not talking about going to Ringwood and making huge features, or building anything at Ringwood for that matter. I'm talking about the woods behind my house, and the only other person I've seen back there is my neighbor walking her dog. It isn't like Ringwood, and believe me I know where you are all coming from and I agree with you. To build that stuff at Ringwood, or any state park for that matter you need to go through the llegal processes first.
Best bet is to find a private landowner who is into it and build on their land, near your house. Start a thread that says. "I wanna build north shore style trails on your land" and see what happens. State land managers will never go for structures in trail systems, and of they did, it would take alot of time to get permission. Private land is much easier.
That's a good idea.DaveVt said:Best bet is to find a private landowner who is into it and build on their land, near your house. Start a thread that says. "I wanna build north shore style trails on your land" and see what happens. State land managers will never go for structures in trail systems, and of they did, it would take alot of time to get permission. Private land is much easier.
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