Yes, I hate the sound of these brakes....ugly (not squeaking). My avid mechanicals where much better. You can't sneak up on anyone under braking conditions with these things nor with the XO shifters clunk, clunk. I may try my old mechanical rotor and see if it helps but something has got to change. Yes, braking is good but not super smooth...I think it may be rotor design? I'll post agiain if I find a solution.