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I just picked up another set of NN 29X2.25 tires and until now did not know they made two versions, I thought all of the 29" versions were snakeskin, tubeless ready and made of the pace star compound... but a quick look at their website and it says new for 2011...

I love the first set and like how pliable the sidewalls were... I did not like the 26" snakeskin Fat alberts I had in the past compared to the plain old evo NN's because the sidewalls were so stiff. The 2011 set are not nearly as pliable more like hard plastic than rubber?

Has anyone run both or aware of this? Curious on how they feel- Thanks
 

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Anything below Fat Alberts, e.g No Ni and Ra Ra , then snakeskin is one extra layer of sidewall reinforcement and is marketed and labeled as snakeskin.It is an added extra to a xc or trail tire. Fat Albert above e.g Big betty etc , they have a freeride/ enduro/ downhill casing where snakeskin[ probably heavier] is incorporated in the sidewall along with extra rubber to stiffen the sidewall. So they have snakeskin reinforcement as well as other stuff and is not labeled snakeskin but is marketed as being incorporated in the free ride casing. I doubt they will be using free ride sidewall in the 29er No Ni?

The 29" x 2.25" has only been available with snakeskin added. The 29 x 2.35" is new for 2011 and once again only available with snakeskin added. That might what you saw on their website as new for 2011?

The 2011 catalog off their site seems easier to use than their website, plus it explains the make up of tires better.

The edge tread pacestar on my Ra Ra 2.4's is soft and silicon [not plastic] like. Sidewall feels like original Evo sidewalls.Snakeskin on my original Evo No Ni tires had a starchy feeling but couldn't notice it riding unlike Big Betty sidewalls. I haven't sampled pacestar snakeskin to see if it's any different.

Edge tread pacestar feels softer than Conti Black chilli on their x-king tire.
 

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knottshore said:
I just picked up another set of NN 29X2.25 tires and until now did not know they made two versions, I thought all of the 29" versions were snakeskin, tubeless ready and made of the pace star compound... but a quick look at their website and it says new for 2011...

I love the first set and like how pliable the sidewalls were... I did not like the 26" snakeskin Fat alberts I had in the past compared to the plain old evo NN's because the sidewalls were so stiff. The 2011 set are not nearly as pliable more like hard plastic than rubber?

Has anyone run both or aware of this? Curious on how they feel- Thanks
Snakeskin casings get more supple with use. They are very rigid when new.
 

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shiggy said:
Snakeskin casings get more supple with use. They are very rigid when new.
That is good to know- I guess my biggest surprise was the difference in the tires since they were both snakeskin- I thought all 29er Schwalbe NN were Tubeless Ready but am not so sure now that I have the 2011 version in hand, I am guessing the TL Ready might affect the feel of the sidewall as well?
 

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Sounds like you may have a 2010.All the 2011 NN 29ers are tubeless ready. The only other option in 2011 is tubeless[ full ust] which is not available in 29er. All 2011 Evolution NN have Pacestar which will be embossed on the sidewall.
 

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I'm running Stans rims in my bikes and I have been using NN 2,25 for the last two years, set up tubeless. I have always mount them by hand (no tire levers) and pop them out with a floor pump.
The 2011 version are a completely different story, they are heavier and hard to install. They have change the bead for a tubeless one that makes mandatory the use of tire levers.
I have bought now a couple of 2010 version ones and no way I will use the 2011 version.
 

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Sounds like you may have a 2010.All the 2011 NN 29ers are tubeless ready. The only other option in 2011 is tubeless[ full ust] which is not available in 29er. All 2011 Evolution NN have Pacestar which will be embossed on the sidewall.
Correct. If it does not have the PaceStar label on the sidewall, it is not the '11 version or have the tubeless ready bead.
 

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genuflektor said:
I'm running Stans rims in my bikes and I have been using NN 2,25 for the last two years, set up tubeless. I have always mount them by hand (no tire levers) and pop them out with a floor pump.
The 2011 version are a completely different story, they are heavier and hard to install. They have change the bead for a tubeless one that makes mandatory the use of tire levers.
I have bought now a couple of 2010 version ones and no way I will use the 2011 version.
Sounds like we are in the same boat, they seem like completely different tires. I ca't say I won't use them as it seems others have had success with the 2011's but if I can get my hands on the 2010's I will, they seem almost too good to be true- tough yet pliable sidewall and lighter, kind of what we have all been wishing would happen to the NN 2.4's...
 

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genuflektor said:
I'm running Stans rims in my bikes and I have been using NN 2,25 for the last two years, set up tubeless. I have always mount them by hand (no tire levers) and pop them out with a floor pump.
The 2011 version are a completely different story, they are heavier and hard to install. They have change the bead for a tubeless one that makes mandatory the use of tire levers.
I have bought now a couple of 2010 version ones and no way I will use the 2011 version.
I have no problems mounting the '11 NN without tools on Bonty Duster TLR rims.
 

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Has anyone confirmed that the 2011 model is indeed heavier than the 2010? Their website says it's 30gr lighter than 2010. True? False?
 

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Has anyone confirmed that the 2011 model is indeed heavier than the 2010? Their website says it's 30gr lighter than 2010. True? False?
I've got a Nobby Nic 2.35 on the front of my bike and a 2..25 on the back. Both TL Ready/PaceStar. They weigh 788g. and 711g. respectively.

Ronnie.
 

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The 2.25" weighs what my 2010 weighs:) Sad though, since they said it was lighter. At least it's not any heavier...
 

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The 2.25" weighs what my 2010 weighs:) Sad though, since they said it was lighter. At least it's not any heavier...
The website claims 650g. for the 2.25 so the claimed weight is probably lighter.:rolleyes:

If in fact it is the same weight it's not bad as it has the tubeless bead and the sidewall is quite tough.

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DFYFZX said:
Has anyone confirmed that the 2011 model is indeed heavier than the 2010? Their website says it's 30gr lighter than 2010. True? False?
I Just weighed my 2011 set but the 2010 set is still employed on the fronts of two of my bikes right now... hopefully someone has the weight on them otherwise it might be a bit before I can get a true weight- and some others I just weighed for reference all are new unless noted

2011 2.25 Nobby Nic Evo Pacestar Triple cmpd Tubeless ready Snakeskin (black bead) .... 694/652g

2010 2.25 Racing Ralph Snakeskin Evo Triple nano cmpd Evolution Carcass 630g

20112.25 Racing Ralph Evo Pace Star Triple cmpd Tubeless Ready 603g

<2010 2.4 Racing Ralph Triple Nano cmpd evolution carcass 604/606g (were aired up /stans)

For Kicks the 2.2 Icon exo I swapped you is 602g

The Nobby Nics Rock as a front tire in wet stuff (Well all but bare roots...)
 

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I Just weighed my 2011 set but the 2010 set is still employed on the fronts of two of my bikes right now... hopefully someone has the weight on them otherwise it might be a bit before I can get a true weight- and some others I just weighed for reference all are new unless noted
Thanks! I knew they're way heavier than claimed... I guess it's the 2.25 without snakeskin for me then. The snakeskin version is heavier than the Toro 2.15 it replaces and the Toro has the snakeskin equivalent sidewall protection.
 
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