Is the whole poaching thing common out west? I'm an east coast guy and hear little of it, and I ride with guys who are well-versed in the local trail systems.
Go browse the NorCal or the SoCal sections. It is very common.Is the whole poaching thing common out west? I'm an east coast guy and hear little of it, and I ride with guys who are well-versed in the local trail systems.
Just to play devil's advocate, or like, my parents advocate, or lots and lots of people that I know and respect's advocate- "I've never understood people with a bunch of forested land that want to cover it with bike trails"I've never uderstood people with a bunch of forrested land getting upset with mountain bike trails on them...
I'm biased to mountain biking though. I wouldn't want the same land to be taken over by dirt bikes, 4 wheelers and 4x4s, so I get the concept of not allowing trails to be built on them, but mountain bikers are a different breed.
We're not destroying the land, we're not chucking our empty beer cans all over the place, we're not camping out everywhere and trashing everything in sight. We roll over the terrain, packing in and out what we can carry on our persons, and we leave, grateful that we had the experience. Besides our tire tracks on the trails that we weave between the trees, you won't know we've been there.
Not sure where you live but my experience has been very different. Mountain bikers tend to alter the terrain greatly with braids, go arounds, jumps, berms, straight lines, alternate lines, brake bumps, brake ruts... Not to mention new trails all together which are guaranteed to pop up. I can't blame a land owner for not wanting bikes these days.
I would bet you my house if you owned a bunch of land on a steep mountain side and allowed bikes to use existing trails, within the first year you would have fresh cut trails down the fall line that would be a braided, blown out mess in no time as soon as they popped up on strava, trailforks.... It's just were we are today.
Hmmmm... Nahhhhh.All I see is somebody unnecessarily putting holes in trees.
We get all bent out of shape when a heavier bike tears up trails or when somebody faster passes us and is rude about it but it is okay to stick holes in a tree to basically say "You suck because you passed me while being rude"
Apparently you’ve never heard of LiDAR.Strave is an app designed to expose private, secret, non-sanctioned, or illegal trails to the public and the authorities.
The only thing I will add to this discussion is:
The KOM are a joke now that a lot of them are skewed by electric assist bikes....road and mountain bike.
Not that I dream of getting one but I know mine are all legit and real.
I won't go to the DARK side!
Not in Utah. Our State rocks for land owner liability.Legal liability gets me irate. My dad has land, and it has a pond on it. Knuckleheads get out there and tear the place up in their 4 wheelers, fish all of his catfish out of the pond, and swim in it. If one of them gets hurt or dies doing it, somehow my dad is responsible? That's total BS, but it's how the law works. If, however, he tacks up a single sign saying "No tresspassing" with his info on it, somehow he can't be held liable? Those laws are absurd.
If I ride through some land I'm not supposed to be on, and I get hurt, nobody held a gun to my head when I decided to ride through it. How is the land owner responsible for my actions? I'm not arguing the point, because I know that's how the law works and how sue-happy our society is... I'm saying it makes zero sense. Even if I had legal recourse to sue a land owner if I got hurt riding a bandit trail, (which I wouldn't do, but for argument's sake) I wouldn't because I have integrity. There are rights and wrongs to things, and that would just be wrong. The land owner has no idea I exist; in what logical world should he pay for my mistakes?
Dude, what if everyone who thought about this piece of land has thought "meh, it probably would've happened by now". Then it would never happen. What I think is more likely though, is nobody has thought about it for bike trails, or maybe they thought about it but nobody makes the effort. You should pursue it and see what happens. Worst they can say is no.Every single time I drive by it, it nearly gives me an aneurysm thinking about the awesome trails I could put on it, and why the hell has no one extended the trail system to include all of that land? I debate going to the county assessor of property to find out who it belongs to, contacting them to see if they'd be receptive to trails on it, getting the parks department of the city to work out the finer details, and getting some trails put in, but then I realize, if that were a thing that could happen, I'm sure it would have happened by now.