Agreed...
Too many folks addicted to heavy, weak, disc wheels are driving the market.
Too many folks addicted to heavy, weak, disc wheels are driving the market.
No 29er Fork with V-brake bosses!?!
What the!?! See, the thing is, I don't like to brake all that much anyway. I mean, it's not really the point. I like to go fast, and alls I gots to do is slow it down real fast every once in a while. In other words, who the hell needs disc brakes!?! Now, front shocks rule 'cause they let you jump n' stuff. I like to bomb, ya feel me? But I also like to roll over stuff real smooth n' fast-like, that's why I like a 29er. My point is, I just really really want a 29er front fork with v-brake bosses, and the Man just aint providin'. Why does the Man got to hold me down? Why?
Holla back ya'll.
Holla back ya'll.
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I think you can still get White Bros. forks with canti. bosses. You could also chase down a Marzocchi fork (I happen to have one for sale...), those all had canti. bosses. Your only other option would be to chase down a Winwood DeeDee carbon fork, though I don't think I've heard much good about that fork.
RST has a new one as does Spinner. Both companies are moving their products up market.humanpowered said:What the!?! See, the thing is, I don't like to brake all that much anyway. I mean, it's not really the point. I like to go fast, and alls I gots to do is slow it down real fast every once in a while. In other words, who the hell needs disc brakes!?! Now, front shocks rule 'cause they let you jump n' stuff. I like to bomb, ya feel me? But I also like to roll over stuff real smooth n' fast-like, that's why I like a 29er. My point is, I just really really want a 29er front fork with v-brake bosses, and the Man just aint providin'. Why does the Man got to hold me down? Why?
Holla back ya'll.
www.twentynineinches.com just got one with cantilever bosses to review. here is a link to the info
http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/04/out-of-the-box-rst-m-29-suspension-fork/
don't know how long it will take Guitar Ted to get it installed on a bike, Tested, and reviewed, but it has the bosses.
Eric
http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/04/out-of-the-box-rst-m-29-suspension-fork/
don't know how long it will take Guitar Ted to get it installed on a bike, Tested, and reviewed, but it has the bosses.
Eric
Rim brakes are like drum brakes on a car. They are no good. It is time to welcome all that is new in the world of brakes.
Yeah, I got that one.
For what it's worth, you can still order up a White Brothers Magic 80mm travel fork with canti bosses too. Although it's almost twice as expensive as this RST.
Here's a pic. The fork is mounted to my Dos Niner but I had to order a post mount adapter for my disc brake, (Sorry! No rim brake wheelsets here!). So, I won't have any ride reports for a bit until that part comes in. I can say that it looks very well done and has a few interesting features. We'll just have to see if the whole package performs up to what RST is promising here.Oolong said:www.twentynineinches.com just got one with cantilever bosses to review. here is a link to the info
http://twentynineinches.com/2007/07/04/out-of-the-box-rst-m-29-suspension-fork/
don't know how long it will take Guitar Ted to get it installed on a bike, Tested, and reviewed, but it has the bosses.
Eric
For what it's worth, you can still order up a White Brothers Magic 80mm travel fork with canti bosses too. Although it's almost twice as expensive as this RST.
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you can still vbrake in america!
Yeah, I was looking to upgrade my bw 1.0 to the magic valve goodness until I choked on the price tag (It's a custom fork from white and it'll be $800+.)
I got two zokes as well as the wb. I totally understand why most people think discs rule (especially in the wet) but for simplicity, budget and weight for where i ride (S Florida) vbrakes r 4 me. Yes I am very much in the minority:thumbsup:
john v
Yeah, I was looking to upgrade my bw 1.0 to the magic valve goodness until I choked on the price tag (It's a custom fork from white and it'll be $800+.)
I got two zokes as well as the wb. I totally understand why most people think discs rule (especially in the wet) but for simplicity, budget and weight for where i ride (S Florida) vbrakes r 4 me. Yes I am very much in the minority:thumbsup:
john v
simple, cheap, light, safe
Another good reason to ride rim brakes is that disc brakes and quick releases don't work together as consistently as they should. Failures have been reported in this forum - a detailed description and documentation of the problem is here:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/
If you've ever had a front end failure you'll appreciate that this is a big deal. The solution is simple, but Rock Shox et al haven't shown any interest in it.
Another good reason to ride rim brakes is that disc brakes and quick releases don't work together as consistently as they should. Failures have been reported in this forum - a detailed description and documentation of the problem is here:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/
If you've ever had a front end failure you'll appreciate that this is a big deal. The solution is simple, but Rock Shox et al haven't shown any interest in it.
JensonUSA is clearing out some older Marzocchis really cheap that still have the brake bosses. I don't know how good the forks are though.
I loved V brakes. I thought folks were nuts saying you needed discs, it is dry where I live, etc.
Needing a good fork, I switched to disc brakes (after 14 years of MTB riding and almost 10 years of racing) just a few weeks ago.
I started with Avid Mechanicals just 2 rides ago.
I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO V's!
No more fade, just stop every time. No more wet rims, no stop. No worry about frozen rims in the winter (too new to know about frozen rotors).
They are really, really nice.
I plan on sticking with discs now.
Most 29er frames no longer have V mounts either.
Needing a good fork, I switched to disc brakes (after 14 years of MTB riding and almost 10 years of racing) just a few weeks ago.
I started with Avid Mechanicals just 2 rides ago.
I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO V's!
No more fade, just stop every time. No more wet rims, no stop. No worry about frozen rims in the winter (too new to know about frozen rotors).
They are really, really nice.
I plan on sticking with discs now.
Most 29er frames no longer have V mounts either.
There have also been reports on this forum of headtube failures, wheels tacoing, etc, etc, etc, zzzslim_pickens said:Another good reason to ride rim brakes is that disc brakes and quick releases don't work together as consistently as they should. Failures have been reported in this forum - a detailed description and documentation of the problem is here:
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/disk_and_quick_release/
If you've ever had a front end failure you'll appreciate that this is a big deal. The solution is simple, but Rock Shox et al haven't shown any interest in it.
I sure hope you don't ride your bike on anything other than perfectly smooth asphalt.
Forks have had lawyer lips since the mid 90s, which go a long way towards coping with the 'problem'.
Due to an unrelated issue (braking forces physically snapping off dropouts - it didn't matter what angle the slot was), Fox et al considerably beefed up their dropouts and QR retention 'lips' in 2004/2005. Problem solved.
Disc brakes are cheap and highly effective. You can get a set of hydraulic Deore M535s (with discs, hoses and levers) online for the same price as a set of XT v-brakes, cables and levers.
If you want to keep your v-brakes, you will have to run rigid forks, or the aforementioned RST kit. Sad, but v-brakes on suspended 29ers is a niche too far.
disc brakes, ugh
what just happened?....sorry, some issues are going on on my end.
Ok, Fort James, we've got to have a word. I'm glad you had such an amazing experience with your disc brakes, but I just don't get it. I don't understand what you mean by "fade" when it comes to v-brakes. This has not been a problem for me in all the 10 years I've ridden v-brakes. And while fade is not something I've experienced with v-brakes, I have experienced the worst form of it with my Avid mechanical disc brakes. This form of fade involved the disc heating up so goddamned much it warped like a potato chip. Things got so hot my beloved Chris King hubs were sizzling when I dropped water on them. Sure, these were cheaper Avid Mechanicals (came on the Fisher Cobia), but I've also used XTR (last generation). Those squealed like banshees and even then barely stopped me in time. My girlfriend's Avid Juicy 7s had so little modulation and locked up so easily that she went from, like, one crash in a year to, like, 4 in less than a month. Finally, unfortunately, my experience with disc brakes began with Cannondale's Coda; and, well, what can I say, we all know those should have never been released.
Attention all: v-brakes are disc brakes! they just have a much larger rotor-the rim-which actually really helps to keep things cooled down. Oh yeah, and they're like a pound lighter.
what just happened?....sorry, some issues are going on on my end.
Ok, Fort James, we've got to have a word. I'm glad you had such an amazing experience with your disc brakes, but I just don't get it. I don't understand what you mean by "fade" when it comes to v-brakes. This has not been a problem for me in all the 10 years I've ridden v-brakes. And while fade is not something I've experienced with v-brakes, I have experienced the worst form of it with my Avid mechanical disc brakes. This form of fade involved the disc heating up so goddamned much it warped like a potato chip. Things got so hot my beloved Chris King hubs were sizzling when I dropped water on them. Sure, these were cheaper Avid Mechanicals (came on the Fisher Cobia), but I've also used XTR (last generation). Those squealed like banshees and even then barely stopped me in time. My girlfriend's Avid Juicy 7s had so little modulation and locked up so easily that she went from, like, one crash in a year to, like, 4 in less than a month. Finally, unfortunately, my experience with disc brakes began with Cannondale's Coda; and, well, what can I say, we all know those should have never been released.
Attention all: v-brakes are disc brakes! they just have a much larger rotor-the rim-which actually really helps to keep things cooled down. Oh yeah, and they're like a pound lighter.
The mechanisms that loosen the skewer and eject the wheel in some cases have been explained, there are many credible reports of it happening and I've seen it first hand. The problem isn't gone until manufacturers angle the dropouts perpendicular to brake reaction forces (like On One and Kelly) or better still, move the caliper to the front of the fork leg so reaction forces push the wheel in.radical_edward said:There have also been reports on this forum of headtube failures, wheels tacoing, etc, etc, etc, zzzzzz
Forks have had lawyer lips since the mid 90s, which go a long way towards coping with the 'problem'.
Lawyer lips are a band aid. If you're okay with a smear of cast magnesium ensuring your front wheel retention you're radical, Edward. For everyone else, there's no reason not to campaign for a real fix.
:yawn:humanpowered said:what just happened?....sorry, some issues are going on on my end.
Ok, Fort James, we've got to have a word. I'm glad you had such an amazing experience with your disc brakes, but I just don't get it. I don't understand what you mean by "fade" when it comes to v-brakes. This has not been a problem for me in all the 10 years I've ridden v-brakes. And while fade is not something I've experienced with v-brakes, I have experienced the worst form of it with my Avid mechanical disc brakes. This form of fade involved the disc heating up so goddamned much it warped like a potato chip. Things got so hot my beloved Chris King hubs were sizzling when I dropped water on them. Sure, these were cheaper Avid Mechanicals (came on the Fisher Cobia), but I've also used XTR (last generation). Those squealed like banshees and even then barely stopped me in time. My girlfriend's Avid Juicy 7s had so little modulation and locked up so easily that she went from, like, one crash in a year to, like, 4 in less than a month. Finally, unfortunately, my experience with disc brakes began with Cannondale's Coda; and, well, what can I say, we all know those should have never been released.
Attention all: v-brakes are disc brakes! they just have a much larger rotor-the rim-which actually really helps to keep things cooled down. Oh yeah, and they're like a pound lighter.
Use what you like but I will not go back to rim brakes.
get some maggie mounts welded on your frame, stick a Magura HS33 on there, it's as powerful as a disk and it's still a rim brake. They only need bled every blue moon, and they stop every time rain or shine, plus they're smooth as butter cause they're hydraulic. I think they might be too powerful for some people though.
By Fade, I mean when I pull the lever to stop, the V's are not as responsive as the disc brakes. They do not consistently stop me and conditions dictate how well they work.
Use what you like, but I am not going back to V brakes.
Use what you like, but I am not going back to V brakes.
The 'smear of magnesium' on Fox forks doubles the thickness of the dropout, and most other forks manufacturers have similar strength systems to solve the problem of 180mm and larger brakes literally tearing dropouts off forks.slim_pickens said:Lawyer lips are a band aid. If you're okay with a smear of cast magnesium ensuring your front wheel retention you're radical, Edward. For everyone else, there's no reason not to campaign for a real fix.
If QR systems were so vulnerable, surely the wheel would eject rather than the dropout actually cracking? Very few forks actually cracked, but all manufacturers released statements giving maximum disc size for given fork models and a number of castings were updated.
Given their reaction to this, I doubt there is any conspiracy of fork manufacturers to suppress the wheel ejection 'issue'. But to be fair I have no doubt that it still is a problem on dept store bikes with generic OEM forks, inexperienced cyclists, and dept store staff assembling bikes.
If you love V-Brakes, then I am fine with that. Just stop with the fear. Put your energy that you spend hating on discs into teaching people how to do up Quick releases, asnd steering them to their LBS to buy quality kit that is assembled correctly.
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