[mikesee]

nm.

 

[Flying_Scotsman]

If anyone is on the fence, a significant investment, but these tyres really do transform the bike to being ridable in deep powder. I went from D5's to these, and the difference was night and day.

 

[prj71]

What kind of night and day difference? I'm currently looking at buying some studded D5s.

 

[sb1616ne]

mikesee, you have any non studded?

thanks!

26 x 5". 320 studs per tire. Folding bead. 120tpi casing. Brand new.



Not everyone needs what these bring to the table.

If you do, you do.

$500 for the pair includes shipping to a lower 48 address.

Happy to ship to Canada or AK, but shipping will cost more.

Contact: [email protected]

P.S. I have 18 of these in inventory. Terrene isn't bringing any more in this winter, so those 18 are it until late '22 -- act accordingly.

 

[mikesee]

mikesee, you have any non studded?

thanks!

Yep.

 

[Flying_Scotsman]

What kind of night and day difference? I'm currently looking at buying some studded D5s.

These actually offer good levels of rear grip, when in powder, you can actually mount and start riding; D5's I found just spun out when you were trying to mount your bike on any type of incline. And any notion of really powering over anything, again D5's spun out. Don't get me wrong, D5's are a great tyre the majority of the time out of snow, and if you ride exclusively groomed / walked trails then they perhaps may work for you. But I ride 98% forest tracks that are virgin snow and these made riding far easier. Two things that are draw backs, one, I do think Johnny 5's lack is lateral grip on the front, they can wash out, but correct pressures and ride with this in mind on off camber sections and they work. Second they are big tyres and with that comes some weight. I'd take both these drawbacks over a D5 (for my riding) every day of the week.

 

[prj71]

Thanks for the reply. Do you have any experience with the Wrathchilds compared to J5's??? Or maybe someone else can chime in on the Wrathchilds. Did some research on this forum and it appears the Wrathchilds are real grippy.

Gonna pull the junk Vee tires off the girls bike and get her something better. I currently run the Beisty Boys on my fat bike, but she wants studded tires.

 

[Steewen]

Wrathchilds are real grippy, no doubt. On ice, they outperformed anything I have tried. But for deep snow or powder, J5 is better.
For what I do ride, I choose Wrathchild. But there are times where I would like to run J5.

 

[prj71]

Wrathchilds are real grippy, no doubt. On ice, they outperformed anything I have tried. But for deep snow or powder, J5 is better.
For what I do ride, I choose Wrathchild. But there are times where I would like to run J5.

Are your Wrathchilds studded?

 

[CanmoreBruce]

Unstudded Wrathchildren on ice? Fall down go boom. There’s no magic in their rubber compound. The tread is aggressive and the XL studs are even scarier. Yes, they can rip out, especially if you ride mixed dirt and rock. Seriously good on ice (for a fat tire).

J5? More float more weight. Plenty of ice grip for most winter riding that isn’t pure death ice. Yes, lateral grip on the front isn’t perfect but the solution to that is manually adding a pile of grip studs to a Bud. That’s a lot of work and it’s expensive.

All depends on what you want, what you ride, how much float you need, what your snow is like etc

For most folks something like a D5 is a great baseline tire option. The question is, do you need/want something more aggressive or floatier? I do. But I don’t know what’s best for you…

edit: I’m running Wrathchilds right now and enjoying them on low snow and ice. If winter ever arrives in earnest I will likely switch to J5s for riding silly ungroomed trails

 

[Jayem]

J5 is next level compared to wraths and D5s. Next level float. Next level ice grip (maybe 2 levels). Next level rotational mass.

Just as important as the tire width is the rim, I’d take a D5 on a 90mm well before a J5 on a 75mm for all around performance in soft snow. The profile of the D5 will work better with that rim to tire ratio. To get the most out of a J5, I’d start at around 90mm and say 90-100 is probably optimal. The D5 works well around 80-90. It kinda sucks around 65.

 

[Flying_Scotsman]

... To get the most out of a J5, I’d start at around 90mm and say 90-100 is probably optimal. The D5 works well around 80-90. It kinda sucks around 65.

Ran all my tyres on 82mm rim, you still get large performance gains on a 'narrower' rim. Also have tried both the 60tpi and 120tpi D5's; noted the 60tpi really doesn't like the cold, it was very stiff on the sidewall and actually burped a fair few times making me cautious in running really low pressures with them too (This would improve once the sealant 'glued' the tyre to rim)

 

[Snowfat]

J5 is next level compared to wraths and D5s. Next level float. Next level ice grip (maybe 2 levels). Next level rotational mass.

Just as important as the tire width is the rim, I’d take a D5 on a 90mm well before a J5 on a 75mm for all around performance in soft snow. The profile of the D5 will work better with that rim to tire ratio. To get the most out of a J5, I’d start at around 90mm and say 90-100 is probably optimal. The D5 works well around 80-90. It kinda sucks around 65.

l’ve got D5’s that I tried numerous times on Clownshoes and they just aren’t wide enough to float for my conditions. They also lack the traction I need so J5’s replaced them. They do roll fast and work well on hard packed trails. Too limited for my needs though.

 

[prj71]

So sounds like J5's grip better in loose snow than Wrathchilds?

 

[CanmoreBruce]

So sounds like J5's grip better in loose snow than Wrathchilds?

Yes. They excel in loose snow. But the Wrathchild is also a good tire in loose snow. Just less rubber and less floaty. So arguably less good? But...if you don't have enough loose snow or enough deep snow, you will suffer in sweat equity for dragging the J5s around.

Question: how heavy are you? where do you live? what kind of trails do you ride? and what problem/solution are you trying to solve with your tire choice?

I'm really heavy. I'm foolish enough to go ride after a storm and break trail. I can't resist twisty off camber mtb trails. Some of my trails can also get quite icy at times. For me the J5 is great.

 

[prj71]

I'm looking for replacement tires for the crappy Vee tires on my girls new fat bike. She wants a studded tire and would be riding groomed trails and occasionally ride some new snowfall (1-4") out back of the house or some old logging roads She is not the most skilled rider at this fat bike thing and it terrifies her when the tires slip because she is scared of crashing. So looking to purchase a studded ~4.8" tire with the best grip in both groomed and loose snow.

I have the dunderbeist and flowbeist on my bike and they suit my needs just fine.

 

[CanmoreBruce]

I'm looking for replacement tires for the crappy Vee tires on my girls new fat bike. She wants a studded tire and would be riding groomed trails and occasionally ride some new snowfall (1-4") out back of the house or some old logging roads She is not the most skilled rider at this fat bike thing and it terrifies her when the tires slip because she is scared of crashing. So looking to purchase a studded ~4.8" tire with the best grip in both groomed and loose snow.

I have the dunderbeist and flowbeist on my bike and they suit my needs just fine.

Yes, I can imagine the crappy Vee tires are sketchy. Personally? I'd suggest something like the D5 if she's mostly riding straight forward trails and logging roads with some snow and/or ice. A lot of folks run the Dillinger in reverse on the rear for climbing grip. Worried about front wheel washouts? Put a Wrathchild on the front. Damn the torpedos and more grip all around? Wrathchild front and rear.

The J5 is next level big and mean. It's also important to determine if the J5 would even fit on her bike. They are big tires.

 

[prj71]

I have been leaning toward the studded Wrathchild front and rear. She doesn't like when the front wheel washes out. Previous thread I researched on this forum indicated Wrathchilds have good grip.

Her bike is a 2021 Kona Woo with Mulefut SL 80s. Looking to switch to HED 80's in the future. I'm pretty sure the J5's would fit. Maybe someone can tell me if I'm wrong.

Just trying to determine J5 or Wrathchild for best snow grip. I have no experience with either tire.

 

[Schmeg]

Ive been riding the “crappy Vee tires” (Snow Avalanche studded) and have yet to see where they are all that crappy. They do what I need them to as long as I have the air pressure dialed. No, they aren’t the best out there, but I just don’t see where they are all,that “crappy”.

 

[prj71]

Ive been riding the “crappy Vee tires” (Snow Avalanche studded) and have yet to see where they are all that crappy. They do what I need them to as long as I have the air pressure dialed. No, they aren’t the best out there, but I just don’t see where they are all,that “crappy”.

Snow sticks to them and traction is lost.