Talked to moots guys today and today they start taking orders on their ybb ebb ss. Here are few details. They are doing everything inhouse including ebb shell - similar to phil wood's one. The frame will come with breezer dropouts one of which is interchangable so that you can put der. hanger later on if you want. The price will be $2700 for the ybb version + $350 upcharge for custom. I am ordering today, was waiting for this like a year or so. They promise 5 weeks waiting time, but we all are realists.