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Every time I ride my Sultan, I keep asking myself "Do I still need a Czar?"
My Sultan now weighs 25.43lbs with Sram X.9 and X.O gripshifter, light-bicycle rims laced with Pillar spokes on Hope Pro2 Evos40t, Wolftooth 42t cog and 34t ring and a light Spez tires.
Had a test ride today with the Wolftooth parts and it's surprisingly works out good. I never drop a chain though the type2 Sram X.9 is not as quiet as my XTR.
Overall I am loving this bike and I am wondering, Is there something else I am missing with the Czar?
Here's some few pictures of my setup.
 

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A 25.5 lbs, 125 mm travel, all mountain 29er, with the typical stiffness of a Turner. I don't think bikes get much better than that...
 
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I am in the same boat. I just did a 6 hour race on my Sultan (26.5lbs). The bike did not hold me back. I see no reason to get a Czar instead.

But if you have the coin for both, having 3 lbs less, being a little climb friendlier and quicker turning (uphill switch backs the sultan needs a little convincing with a 140mm Pike). might all be valid points.
 

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The Sultan is undeniably a great bike if you are wanting a firmly planted bike that you just pedal and plow through nasty trails. The DW suspension is ultra plush /smooth overall top notch. But if you are wanting nimbleness and playfulness it suffers greatly. Try doing a wheelie and getting front end up on the Sultan and you will find it much more difficult compared to bikes with shorter stays. So again, great for planted front end on stay in saddle steep climbs but more difficult to loft front end. The Czar, given its shorter stays may be just the ticket but I have yet to try one. If Turner came out with a short stay rear triangle adaptable to my existing Sultan I'd think it would be the perfect trail bike. Until then will just keep lusting over the carbon Czar. If I could sell my Sultan I would possibly consider Czar but cannot justify owning both.
 

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Every time I ride my Sultan, I keep asking myself "Do I still need a Czar?"
My Sultan now weighs 25.43lbs with Sram X.9 and X.O gripshifter, light-bicycle rims laced with Pillar spokes on Hope Pro2 Evos40t, Wolftooth 42t cog and 34t ring and a light Spez tires.
Had a test ride today with the Wolftooth parts and it's surprisingly works out good. I never drop a chain though the type2 Sram X.9 is not as quiet as my XTR.
Overall I am loving this bike and I am wondering, Is there something else I am missing with the Czar?
Glad that you like the set up on your Sultan. For the riding I do most of the time, the Sultan would've been my "one bike" if I had to make a choice. After getting the Czar, it's downhill performance is pretty close to the Sultan with the extra bonus of weighing considerably less and has replaced the Sultan as my go-to bike most of the time. I'm hoping that there will be an updated Sultan this year with shorter stays and geometry built around a 140mm travel Pike. That would give more separation between the two 29er models. Right now it feels almost, but not quite, like the Czar and the Sultan overlap too much.
 

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What model rims do you have and how long have you had them? Debating between the new bead hookless 35mm ones and Flow EXs.
The one I got is the 27mm hookless rims. I just had ridden it for 3X only and try to ride the roughest and rockiest trail as much as possible to see how tough is this thing. LB said it has 1 year warranty so I am looking forward how this thing hold up most importantly on the nipples holes.
I had it already scratch on the sides and so far no chipping yet on the hookless part. perhaps, the my tire pressure of 27rear and 25front helps out protecting the rim. However, I haven't converted it yet to tubeless due to limited time. I wanna see how this bead hold up in a tubeless setup.
 

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Glad that you like the set up on your Sultan. For the riding I do most of the time, the Sultan would've been my "one bike" if I had to make a choice. After getting the Czar, it's downhill performance is pretty close to the Sultan with the extra bonus of weighing considerably less and has replaced the Sultan as my go-to bike most of the time. I'm hoping that there will be an updated Sultan this year with shorter stays and geometry built around a 140mm travel Pike. That would give more separation between the two 29er models. Right now it feels almost, but not quite, like the Czar and the Sultan overlap too much.
First, my LBS is demonising me again for some discount on the Czar, now it was you sweet talking me about the Czar...;)
I am pushing hard to get my Truth sold so it will be less heavy on my wallet.
You are right, 1 turner is not enough:cool:

Cheers,
 

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Read my thread..

http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/turner-czar-build-thread-857330.html

I rode a demo Sultan, really LOVED it, didn't want to give it back.. I was driving it back to the shop coming up with excuses as to why I couldn't give it back.. Then I took a Czar out.. in about 15 minutes, I was trying to figure out how to explain to the wife why I needed a $3k FRAME!

Best money spent. I would do it again in a heartbeat! The Czar is.. everything you think it should be, and more.

Best part about the Czar, is riding it, worst part, not riding it..
 

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First, my LBS is demonising me again for some discount on the Czar, now it was you sweet talking me about the Czar...;)
I am pushing hard to get my Truth sold so it will be less heavy on my wallet.
You are right, 1 turner is not enough:cool:

Cheers,
Only thing I see you're missing is carbon. Just swapping out frames with that killer light build you have on your Sultan and you'll be down around 22 lbs..... and will have something faster, snappier and almost as downhill worthy.

Call me the devil. ;)
 

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Only thing I see you're missing is carbon. Just swapping out frames with that killer light build you have on your Sultan and you'll be down around 22 lbs..... and will have something faster, snappier and almost as downhill worthy.

Call me the devil. ;)
I need to come up some excuses! :-D
I would also need a PF30 BB and crankset to make it rolling!
 

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Read my thread..

http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/turner-czar-build-thread-857330.html

I rode a demo Sultan, really LOVED it, didn't want to give it back.. I was driving it back to the shop coming up with excuses as to why I couldn't give it back.. Then I took a Czar out.. in about 15 minutes, I was trying to figure out how to explain to the wife why I needed a $3k FRAME!

Best money spent. I would do it again in a heartbeat! The Czar is.. everything you think it should be, and more.

Best part about the Czar, is riding it, worst part, not riding it..
Thanks Dan,
it was your build that I got actually stoked on the Czar a while back and get me start saving!
then I got a killer deal on the Sultan, which I actually ignored for so long because of its tallish stack height and longish CS.
Now this...Oh man! Just a little more pinky-push and I'm hook I guess ;-)
 

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Alright! I'm excited!
1 medium Czar now on hold for me. Pick up at my LBS will be next week.
Now for the crank, shall I go Xx1 or RF next??? Opinion please?😃


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That was a quick decision, must be nice to have the cash to throw down on new Czar. Congrats. I vote RF Next for looks
 
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