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I found that my chainstay was cracked and sent the frame back to Moots only to have them tell me that they can't repair the crack, so now I'm looking for a frame to hang all of the dead moots parts on.

what should I get?
 

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Send it to this gentleman and have him weld a new rear triangle on. It won't be a soft tail, but it'll probably be less money than a new frame in the long run.

Buy a cheaper frame like a Karate Monkey to ride during the time it takes to have it re done.
 

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How come they can't fix it? Is the crack the result of the chainstay flex that is required for the YBB to get travel?

For what Ti frames cost now days I would find somebody that can fix it. Good recommendation on Potts. Since he welds the Castellano Silks, see if he can retro the Moots with a Castellano rear;)
 

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How old is it? I thought Moots frames have a lifetime-or-so warranty, unless it's an SL.
 

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Its not a warranty issue and I have no problem with that. The only dilemma is what to get to replace the old moots.
 

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I would suggest you replace it with another titanium frame to match all those nice parts you have. I would suggest one of these, but I am biased.
 

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Reading between the lines, he is probably not the original owner so no coverage.

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curious how you have a chain stay failure that is not deemed a warranty? Got any pictures?

You should get a Vulture
 

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Blinky?

Any decent Ti frame builder could remove chain stays and re-weld new ones on at a cost.
 

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Any decent Ti frame builder could remove chain stays and re-weld new ones on at a cost.
If the guys at Moots say it can't be fixed I'm pretty sure that it can't be fixed. Not like those guys just opened last year. now weather it is cost effective to fix is another story. Given the cost of a new comparable bike I would spend ~$750 to have it fixed if I liked the bike.
 

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I would get a Steve Potts. After some bad experiences he would be the only person I would trust in this day and age to build a ti bike.
It seems ti ain't as durable as it used to be.
 

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I've heard of Moots repairing stuff out of warranty, but I also know that they just say "NO" to many things. If you want custom geometry, they say no if it's outside of the window they want to work within. They also say no to direct mount front derailleurs and down tubes that actually clear a fork crown. I really like the stuff that Moots builds, but you do get more for your money and exactly what you want from other builders.
 

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I had an out of warranty issue with Moots (2nd owner) and they graciously agreed to fix it at no charge. However, the fix didn't hold (crack in down tube/BB junction. James at Black Sheep fixed it and it held -- but that bike has moved on to the wife and I'm on a Black Sheep. There's probably more than one good Ti builder out there that could resurrect the frame, if that's desirable.

Might I recommend a Scott Scale? Cyclingnews.com has a pretty convincing review up right now, indicating it's both stunningly light and has a compliant rear triangle...
 

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They say no to truly custom options because though they are a custom shop, they are a high volume custom shop. Anytime they are asked to do something special that would slow down production they would be reluctant to do so. IFAB is the exact same way, too custom and they are not interested.
 

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I always coveted a Moots and came close to ordering one last year. However, I had some mild custom requests to make the bike right me. The cost to do anything custom at Moots was stratospheric so, opted for a Lynskey. Not to mention, they're just down the road and were easy to deal with. They don't do a soft tail but they're worth talking to.
 
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