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rton20s
Fair warning... I over analyze everything. TL;DR: Take a look at the bikes listed and skip to the questions at the end. ;)

I have two boys, the oldest is 10 and currently on a 2020 Vitus Kids 24+. He is 4'-7" (140cm) tall and tracking right along with the 50th percentile according to the CDC. I've been using that info to plan out the next bike purchase for my oldest. Between cost and size disparity, I don't think we'll be making the leap to an XS 27.5 or 29. There seems to be quite a bit of value in a 26" bike for us. As it is, my oldest is on the cusp of sizing into most 26" bikes and the plan is to purchase for his birthday next August. I'm estimating we'll get about 2 years of use out of the 26 before my oldest moves up. Then my youngest will probably get about 2.5 years of use out of it when he moves up. Neither boy is what I would call a "hard charger," but they are competent for their respective ages and consistently building on their skillsets.

On to the bikes... As you can probably tell, I did a lot of research on what is currently out there (I won't say available). I've created a "short list" spreadsheet including rankings by spec and perceived value. The following are the contenders as I see it (assuming there will be an opportunity to purchase at some point before August):

Vitus Nucleus 26
Cost: $770 landed
RAD (Less Cockpit): 680
Weight: 27.27 lbs
Negatives: Straight steerer, QR axles, long chainstays, low end fork & drivetrain, no dropper
Potential Upgrades: Brand-X Kids Dropper, Manitou Machete Comp, Works Angle Headset
Upgraded Cost: $1220

Comments: Value for dollar is pretty good, especially if we were to avoid upgrades (unlikely). Even with the upgrades, I am not the biggest fan of the Box drivetrain and the geometry can't really be changed beyond the angle set.

Nukeproof Cub Scout 26 Sport
Cost: $940 landed
RAD (Less Cockpit): 696
Weight: 26.50 lbs
Negatives: 142x12 rear axles, midgrade fork, low end drivetrain, no dropper
Potential Upgrades: Brand-X Kids Dropper
Upgraded Cost: $1040

Comments: This one appears to be tops in the value for dollar category. I'm not sure how much of a negative the 142 axle really is, and it could actually be an advantage in keeping the Q factor down for kids. The only real negative I see is the Box drivetrain. The big question is, do the parts on the Race model justify the $400 premium?

Nukeproof Cub Scout 26 Race
Cost: $1340 landed
RAD (Less Cockpit): 696
Weight: 26.00 lbs
Negatives: 142x12 rear axles, no dropper
Potential Upgrades: Brand-X Kids Dropper
Upgraded Cost: $1440

Comments: This Race model is second only to the Sport model of the Cub Scout in the value for dollar category for me. The fork, drivetrain, brakes and hubs seem like they are worth the $400 premium. However, there is a difference between convincing the wife to spend $940 and $1340. There is something to be said about the psychology of adding that fourth digit.

Then if we are really looking at long term, and how long our youngest son would also be able to use the bike, do we bite the bullet and go full suspension? I really only see two contenders here before completely blowing the budget.

Scott Ransom 600
Cost: $2166 landed
RAD (Less Cockpit): 664
Weight: 30.64 lbs
Negatives: Cost, smallest cockpit and shortest reach of any bike on the list
Potential Upgrades: Works Reach Adjust Headset?
Upgraded Cost: $2260

Comments: The value on the Ransom is surprisingly decent. That small cockpit though has been a real hang up for me. Changing to a Work Reach Adjust Headset adds 5mm to the top tube length, but also adds 14mm to the lower cup stack. I tried doing some math on this, and it actual appears that using the reach adjust would effectively make the cockpit even small by reducing RAD. I guess this is what happens when Scott tries to use one frame to split the difference between 24 and 26. Adding 40mm to the ETT would have probably made all the difference.

YT Jeffsy Primus 26
Cost: $2686 landed
RAD (Less Cockpit): 678
Weight: 31.31 lbs
Negatives: Cost, no water bottle mount
Potential Upgrades: None
Upgraded Cost: N/A

Comments: I think it is pretty widely accepted that the Jeffsey Primus is a pretty exceptional bike for the money. Even though I know we would get close to 6 years of use across 2 kids, and hopefully be able to sell the bike for a decent amount, it is a pretty big cash outlay. And really, no water bottle mount?

So, that is where I am currently at with my research. I'll be discussing this with the boss... I mean wife soon. I'm really interested to see what other bike parents think.

Are my assessments on point?

Am I missing any key elements on the bikes listed?

Are there other bikes you feel should be on the list?
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airwreck
You could add the Rocky Mountain Reaper, Propain Yuma, and Trailcraft to the list. There is also a good chance that some other options will become available.

Sounds like you are doing the same thing I was, spreadsheet of geometry and specs. I really wanted my boy to spend more time on 26, he still could as we have some in the collection, but we let him be involved in choosing his next bike. He's 11.5 years old and just now hitting 4' 8" and it seems like he would be likely to outgrow the 26 quickly. The XS Transition Scout we just got is tiny (and heavy) but the wheelbase is long. For the type of riding he does the YT looked good for the present, but he's not interested in the brand despite being him being an AG fan. If one had been available I probably would have gotten it anyway. I do like the looks of that Scott, but that tiny rear shock makes me question the kinematics and since he is a sender I'm not confident in it. I also like the Chromag Minor Threat, but he doesn't. He was most interested in a XS Trek Fuel and the Propain Yuma but this had more to do with their sponsored riders than anything.

Not much help but I will say despite the current shortage it's a lot funner now to pick out a pre-teen bike than it was in the past. Good luck!
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Thanks for the reply @airwreck . I took a look at the Rocky Mountain, Propain and Trailcraft bikes. I was already stretching the budget for what I thought the wife would buy into with the Ransom and Primus. The Reaper stretches it even further, the Yuma (assuming no additional US markup) further still and the the Maxwell is WAY out of budget.

I also considered pushing the use of the 24" bike even longer and then transitioning him up to an XS 27.5. Some models, he could technically fit on already. Options are pretty limited though, and the typical price seems to take another jump compared to 26". If I had to guess, our son will probably be about 4'-8" to 4'-9" when his 11th birthday rolls around in August. Selecting the right 26" bike should last him until he is tall enough (5'3" @ ~13.5 years) to move up to a 27.5 or 29 in a small.
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There's also Marin Rift Zone 26" full suspension at $1900.
There's got to be lots more options lurking and likely more new bikes on the way, have you checked out 26" Front Suspension Bikes - The Bike Dads ?
Do a Pinkbike search on 26" XS also, quite a few on there.
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rton20s
I had previously eliminated the Rift Zone from consideration, but just gave it another look. I just don't see the value there compared to the Scott and YT. The cockpit is just as compact as the Scott (longer reach/shorter stack), but the build spec isn't as good. Add in the long cranks, QR rear axle and lack of dropper, and it just seems like you're paying too much for what you get.

I'm very familiar with the Bike Dads site and check it frequently. I've looked into all of the bikes they currently have listed. My list definitely wasn't intended to be comprehensive on what is (theoretically) available. It was really just a "short list" of those that made the cut in terms of geometry, spec and value for dollar.

I would prefer to buy new, but I will keep my eye out on Pinkbike.

I appreciate the additional feedback!
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I've been noticing shop ads for new bikes on PB. I feel like the bike companies were caught off by the surge in the pre-teen segment and there will be a lot more options in the future.
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Okay, I scanned thru your first post and it seemed logical. Then I scanned thru replies, didn't see mention of buying used. Checked your post again, and didn't see anything about new vs used.

A 26" wheel bike is perfect for your kid, and the later kid, but you aren't looking at used? It's a 26" festival out there for used bikes. And their height is definitely in the 26'er market.

Stepping back, it's nice that you want to get them a new bike. Every kid loves a new bike. But did you entertain the idea of trying to sell them on a used bike? I mean, in your price range you listed, I'm not speaking of a used jalopy. I mean a used Cannondale, Specialized, Trek or others, good quality, like a classic.

I'm 51 and feel like my favorite bike was the 2001 Specialized FSR Enduro XC 26'er. Like 120mm suspension front and rear, 30 lbs or so.
Also have my '94 Cannondale hard tail 26'er at about 24 lbs.
Since then, got a used ti Titus hardtail, and a 2019 $4500 29'er full suspension.

I still feel like the old '01 Specialized was the best at downhill stuff and for jumping, railing berms, etc. Lord that bike was so fun and just felt natural. I doubt it was the bike specifically, but I think the 26" wheels, smaller size, and no over-kill on suspension made it feel great to me.

You can find a really nice bike if they're willing to go used.

But I get it that kids want new and might not want used so I'm afraid that I couldn't give advice on any new stuff.
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I'm in a similar position to you. 10 year old on a Ripcord who will need to move up next year and a 7 year old behind her.
We went with the Jeffsy for a few reasons:
  • For us, it hits the sweet spot of cost (significantly less than Trailcraft, Norco Sight, RM Reaper etc), geo (doesn't have the short reach of the Reaper, Ransom), components (kid tuned suspension, great wheels/tires, dropper). My one hesitation is weight but I think there are some options to drop weight (cassette is ~650grams, handlebar is ~400grams, cranks ~700grams)
  • We'll get ~5 years of use on it and the resale value will be great in our area, so it's really just a long-term rental
  • The used market for XS mountain bikes an kids bikes in general is nuts. We picked up the Ripcord (with dropper post) for $900 on PB three years ago - there is no way you can find that nowadays! There are some 10-15 year old 26" wheeled bikes on Pinkbike that are selling for a $1000+ Obviously, there are some outliers and you can get lucky but after religiously checking over the last few months it seems pretty low probability.
  • The Jeffsy preorder set up (10% down, remainder 4 weeks before shipping) more or less guarantees getting a bike by the middle of next year. That is no small thing given current supply issues. It also gives you the option of cancelling with a full refund if we do find something used in the interim.
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rton20s
Thanks for the reply @Wheelspeed. No, I did not list any used bikes, but it was part of my discussion with @airwreck above. I am not opposed to a used bike... if it is the RIGHT bike.

Admittedly, my focus has been on new. There are a few of reasons for that.
  1. The fact that additional care must be taken in inspecting the bike and this can be difficult to do if the bike isn't local.
  2. Most of the 26" bikes I have seen are quite old. Much like the '01 and '94 you mentioned. This usually means significant maintenance sooner than later.
  3. Parts availability. Yes, you can still get parts for 26" wheel bikes with straight steerers, QR axles, rim brakes, etc. but the availability and continued development is much more limited that of parts built to "modern" specs.
  4. Geometry. There is only so much you can do to get a short reach, short ETT, steep HA bike to ride like a modern geo bike.
One thing I did not mention is that my son does have access to a XS 2003 Trek Tassajara. My father-in-law picked it up for free from someone who had left it sitting neglected for decades. Overall, the bike is in ok shape. The fork could definitely use a service, and from what I could find I don't think the parts are available. I put it on the stand and got the brakes and drivetrain operating at an acceptable level. The bike is fine for tooling around the neighborhood, a bike path and maybe a fire road. However, I wouldn't really let my son take it on some of the single track we ride. His Vitus 24+ with the Manitou fork upgrade would still be a much better choice.
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rton20s
Thanks @stevelim . It does sound like we're headed down similar paths. I think your observations are very much in line with mine. I'm still 100% open to suggestions, but I think I have my "top three". Where we end up will likely depend entirely on how much the wife is willing to spend and what is available to buy. I'll be starting that discussion soon.

These are my current top three...
  1. YT Jeffsey Primus 26 (This seems to be the threshold for getting into a good, modern full suspension TRUE 26er.)
  2. Nukeproof Cub Scout 26 Race (I don't see any value in spending more than this on a hard tail. I haven't seen anything with better specs at anywhere close to the price.)
  3. Nukeproof Cub Scout 26 Sport (This one seems to be the value leader. Getting out the door for less than four figures with no REAL need for upgrades is pretty impressive in today's market.)
You mentioned resale value on kids bikes, and I know generally that is true. We did ok selling our Giant Pre balance bike. However, we have had zero bites on our 16" Tykes Bykes (with lots of upgrades). I think it just a combination of where we live geographically and the local demographics.
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What about the Giant Stp? I was also looking at the Cub scout but cant seem to find any.
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airwreck
There was a Primus that showed up on PB couple months ago, couldn't do it because it was same as new price and not sure about YT warranty etc. The bottom line though was my kid wasn't interested and the wait. I'm also wondering if he's going to out grow the Scout quickly as the XS is little. It is also long but feel like getting the long bike thing over with and getting used to it as he wants a DH bike and our small 26 dh isn't much longer and the modern ones are much longer. He just made a 110mm jump in wheelbase going from his 24/26 bike. His ideal quiver of bikes would be 24 dj, Scout and the 22 Supreme DH XS. With options to put rear derailleurs on dj bikes I regret getting him a Vitus 24 that he only wanted to ride on the street. We sold the vitus to a kid that is way too tall for it but they couldn't find anything else. We are a bike geek family so it's nice that he enjoys geeking too and helps justify splurging on him.
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ladljon
A modern geo-spec 27.5, really made riding easier for me. At 5'0. all my bikes were custom built. Still love my 2010' 26" FS. But a recently built hardtail with slacker headtube and bigger wheels is a joy.
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I just noticed that the Giant STP 26 has decent specs for the price. STP 26 (2021) | Men Trail bike | Giant Bicycles US

What do you guys think of this bike versus the Nukeproof Scout Race bike? I’m loosely in the same boat as the OP…I have a 9 year old, shopping ahead for next summer when she is 10 to move her up to 24 so I can get my younger kid (will be 7 at that time) onto the 24 earlier. Thinking at that point both kids would do well at their respective new bike size for 3yrs.

I’m also on wait list for Woom Off Air 6, Spawn Yama Jama 26…and maybe thinking about Trailcraft Timber.

The Giant seems interesting, no weight listed on any Giant bike. Can get different color way through their LIV brand. Lots of house brand parts, but looks like a Rockshox Rekon (w/a tune for light kids or are they just slapping on a regular 27.5 OEM?) and Deore Shifter/Derailleur. Price would be about $200 less than the Nukeproof given the need to pay for shipping versus picking up locally (just found a shop with one in stock, but I won’t be buying until next spring/summer).
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I saw on the "bike dads" website that the STP was 29.3lbs. The vitus nuclues 26 just became available on wiggle so I pulled the trigger on one. Its slim pickings out there for new (decent) kids bikes. Hopefully my son can get 2yry out of it before having to move up to an adult sized bike.
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rton20s
Obviously as the OP, I don't have direct experience with any of these bikes. (I do have experience with some of the individual components specified on the bikes.) Below is my take just doing some "bench racing" with the information available. The pros/cons are relative to the previous, lower priced bike.

Vitus Nucleus 26 ($770 Delivered - 27.27 lbs)
Pros: Initial cost, not a complete garbage spec and you get an air fork
Cons: Low end fork, longer cranks, Box drivetrain, low end brakes, wheel set, straight steerer, long chainstay, 67 head angle, short RAD
Bottom Line: If you're on a really tight budget, this is the bike to get. If you plan to upgrade, either Nukeproof is a better investment

Nukeproof Cub Scout 26 Sport ($940 Delivered - 26.50 lbs)
Pros: Initial cost, better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 66 HA, shorter chainstay, long RAD) better fork, shorter cranks, better wheelset
Cons: Box drivetrain, low end brakes
Bottom Line: The $170 premium for the Nukeproof is worth it in my opinion

Giant STP 26 ($1264 Delivered - 29.88 lbs)
Pros: Not a complete garbage spec, air fork (but I would take the X-Fusion over the Recon), shortest cranks, Deore drivetrain
Cons: Initial cost, middling fork, low end brakes, wheel set, long chainstay, 67 head angle, mid RAD almost 3.5 lbs heavier than the cheaper Cub Scout!
Bottom Line: The $324 premium for the STP is NOT worth it. I just don't see the value in the STP. More money, less bike. The only potential advantage is purchasing through a local dealer.

Nukeproof Cub Scout 26 Race ($1340 Delivered - 26.00 lbs)
Pros: Better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 66 HA, shorter chainstay, long RAD) best fork, wheelset and brakes of the bunch, shorter cranks, Deore drivetrain
Cons: Initial cost
Bottom Line: The $76 premium for the Nukeproof is definitely worth it in my opinion. Other than the common drivetrain and shorter cranks of the STP, the Nukeproof Race is superior in every way.
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I agree about the Nukeproof Scout Sport. If they had it in stock I would have purchased it but with Christmas around the corner I couldnt wait. Ill let know how the Vitus works. My out the door price was $716.45. His current 24in bike has better bars,stem,brakes and seatpost which will get swapped to the Vitus.
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rton20s
I continue to watch the bike market for 26" bikes for my 10-year-old and things are changing quickly. We're looking to have a bike in hand for his 11th birthday in August or at the latest Christmas. CRC has price bumps for all their house brand bikes for the 2022 model bikes. Some of the remaining 21s still in stock have also seen price bumps.

'21 Nucleus 26: $800 (+$170 from previous price)
'22 Nucleus 26: $930 (+$300 from '21 price)
'22 Cub Scout 26 Sport: $1500 (+$700 from '21 price!)
'22 Cub Scout 26 Race: $1700 (+$500 from '21 price!)

The only spec change among those bikes is a switch from Tektro to Clarks brakes. Add in the shipping costs to the US and value for dollar on the Cub Scouts took a huge hit.

Lack of availability has me reassessing my criteria. I have expanded the search to XS and even Small 27.5 hardtail bikes. One concern across any adult bikes is the forks certainly won't be tuned for a kid's weight. Then again, I know many kids bikes have forks not tuned to their weight. I've added the following to my considerations (compared to the Nucleus 26 as a baseline)...

Canyon Stoic 2 Size: 2XS ($1405 Delivered - 32.2 lbs (M))
Pros: Better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 65 HA, shorter chainstay, long RAD), wheelset and brakes
Cons: Initial cost, weight, same fork, limited range drivetrain, lacks a dropper
Bottom Line: The $465 premium for the Canyon is a bit of a stretch for what you get. It could be a solid platform and a great bike with an upgraded drivetrain, fork and dropper. The bike should "fit" a little longer than most of the 26" options.

'21 Nukeproof Scout 275 Race Size: Small ($1540 Delivered - 29.2 lbs (M))
Pros: Better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 65 HA), fork, wheelset, brakes, drivetrain
Cons: Initial cost, weight?, longer cranks, lacks a dropper
Bottom Line: The $600 premium for the Nukeproof seems to be more justified than the Canyon. The Scout 275 in small is on the bigger side of what he might fit. We already have a dropper that would fit the bike, and I would throw on some shorter cranks. The flip side of that coin is that he would be able to stay on this bike the longest. I don't see much need to upgrade anything else on the bike until it wears out, even though I am no fan of the Recon fork.

'21 Vitus Sentier 27 VRW: XS or Small ($1640 Delivered - 30.4 lbs (M-Mens))
Pros: Better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 66 HA, shorter chainstay), fork, wheelset, brakes, drivetrain, dropper
Cons: Initial cost, weight, longer cranks, frame shape
Bottom Line: The $700 premium for the Vitus is significant but probably makes the most sense of the three... "on paper." Sizing is pretty similar to the 2XS Canyon. I don't see a single spec on the bike that I would be looking to change any time soon. Other than the price, the biggest drawback is one of vanity. I really dislike the shape created by the top tube bend.

So, at this point the '21 Nucleus 26, '21 Scout 275 Race and '21 Vitus Sentier 27 VRW are available to order today. The Canyon may be available in just a few days. If and when the '22 Cub Scouts become available, I just don't know if they present the same value as they did last year. Priced the same as the Sentier, the Sport model falls short. And I don't know that the spec of the Race justifies the premium over the Sentier. It is risky, but I might wait a few more weeks to see what Sea Otter might bring.
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Wow, those are mighty big increases in price! It will likely help keep them in stock for longer as for those prices they aren't going to be flying off the shelf. At these prices the YT Jeffsey looks reasonable as well as the Trailcraft Timber 26 (in special build). I am starting to see some sale prices being applied to mountain bikes in general recently. Granted, they are model year closeouts, but the fact they are doing any sort of discount on new bikes is interesting to see.

rton20s said:
I continue to watch the bike market for 26" bikes for my 10-year-old and things are changing quickly. We're looking to have a bike in hand for his 11th birthday in August or at the latest Christmas. CRC has price bumps for all their house brand bikes for the 2022 model bikes. Some of the remaining 21s still in stock have also seen price bumps.

'21 Nucleus 26: $800 (+$170 from previous price)
'22 Nucleus 26: $930 (+$300 from '21 price)
'22 Cub Scout 26 Sport: $1500 (+$700 from '21 price!)
'22 Cub Scout 26 Race: $1700 (+$500 from '21 price!)

The only spec change among those bikes is a switch from Tektro to Clarks brakes. Add in the shipping costs to the US and value for dollar on the Cub Scouts took a huge hit.

Lack of availability has me reassessing my criteria. I have expanded the search to XS and even Small 27.5 hardtail bikes. One concern across any adult bikes is the forks certainly won't be tuned for a kid's weight. Then again, I know many kids bikes have forks not tuned to their weight. I've added the following to my considerations (compared to the Nucleus 26 as a baseline)...

Canyon Stoic 2 Size: 2XS ($1405 Delivered - 32.2 lbs (M))
Pros: Better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 65 HA, shorter chainstay, long RAD), wheelset and brakes
Cons: Initial cost, weight, same fork, limited range drivetrain, lacks a dropper
Bottom Line: The $465 premium for the Canyon is a bit of a stretch for what you get. It could be a solid platform and a great bike with an upgraded drivetrain, fork and dropper. The bike should "fit" a little longer than most of the 26" options.

'21 Nukeproof Scout 275 Race Size: Small ($1540 Delivered - 29.2 lbs (M))
Pros: Better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 65 HA), fork, wheelset, brakes, drivetrain
Cons: Initial cost, weight?, longer cranks, lacks a dropper
Bottom Line: The $600 premium for the Nukeproof seems to be more justified than the Canyon. The Scout 275 in small is on the bigger side of what he might fit. We already have a dropper that would fit the bike, and I would throw on some shorter cranks. The flip side of that coin is that he would be able to stay on this bike the longest. I don't see much need to upgrade anything else on the bike until it wears out, even though I am no fan of the Recon fork.

'21 Vitus Sentier 27 VRW: XS or Small ($1640 Delivered - 30.4 lbs (M-Mens))
Pros: Better frame/geometry (boost spacing, tapered steerer, 66 HA, shorter chainstay), fork, wheelset, brakes, drivetrain, dropper
Cons: Initial cost, weight, longer cranks, frame shape
Bottom Line: The $700 premium for the Vitus is significant but probably makes the most sense of the three... "on paper." Sizing is pretty similar to the 2XS Canyon. I don't see a single spec on the bike that I would be looking to change any time soon. Other than the price, the biggest drawback is one of vanity. I really dislike the shape created by the top tube bend.

So, at this point the '21 Nucleus 26, '21 Scout 275 Race and '21 Vitus Sentier 27 VRW are available to order today. The Canyon may be available in just a few days. If and when the '22 Cub Scouts become available, I just don't know if they present the same value as they did last year. Priced the same as the Sentier, the Sport model falls short. And I don't know that the spec of the Race justifies the premium over the Sentier. It is risky, but I might wait a few more weeks to see what Sea Otter might bring.
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Since you are looking at 27.5 bikes, you might keep an eye on Polygon bikes. They are often one of the better value bikes and have a US dealer (bikesonline) with free shipping. I think they have 3 or 4 different hard tail models and a few FS models. Does Fezzari do a decent hardtail?

I like Nukeproof kids bikes but their adult hard tails with the RS silver forks are something I'd avoid perhaps. We had one of those forks on my wifes last bike...it was embarrassingly bad. I'm sure they are better than that 2019 fork. Maybe I saw the wrong spec on that bike so don't quote me on that. The Mazzochi fork on the vitus is pretty good tho.
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