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I'm asking owners of Niners for advice. I know I could post in the 29er forum, but I'm really hoping to be talked into buying a R.I.P.

Recently, someone posted in the 29er forum asking for a recommendation on a long travel 29er. He mentioned he was riding mostly cross country with some trail riding. I know the differences are subtle. I would say I am primarily a XC rider. I prefer to get out and gallop on open trail. However, occasionally here in Flagstaff, you wander onto less maintained trails and even trails designed with more technical challenge. In addition, we often spend our winters riding in Sedona and Phoenix and Tucson. Sedona Trails, in particular, have a tendency to beat up riders and their bikes. I would break it down by saying about 80% of the time I'll be riding up and down trails that are fairly well maintained, and the rest of the time riding over much more rocky terrain. Rocky, but not full of big drops.

I've been riding a Canzo with a Minute 120 thru-axle. So I have had to get use to a lot of movement in the suspension at all times as well as compressing the rear end during steep climbs, causing the front end to lift and wander.

I demo'd the Pivot 429 last year in Sedona and really liked it. I have some friends strongly suggesting I test ride the Giant Anthem. It seems you get a more raceable XC bike with 100mm of travel. The rear suspension in the Pivot, Giant and Niner seem to be similar, and very well regarded. Doing searches for reviews of the RIP will turn up some impressive awards. I also read a review from a Bend bike shop saying it was the bike of choice for their staff. I keep hearing the description that the RIP is the perfect do anything bike. I like that, even knowing I'm no downhiller and never launch my bike, unless it's by accident. I just want to ride all day on local trails and travel around to other great riding destinations and have the right bike to take on whatever I come accross.

This is where I'm at; I don't want to spend over $5000 for the Pivot built with XT. I really don't like all the blue colored cable housings and parts decorating the Giant, but I'd like to demo one to know if it is enough bike. The RIP seems to stand alone, yet I did get some negative remarks from two local shops, saying there have been issues with frame damage and dealing with Niner after reporting those damages (mostly cracks). Yet, what I seem to be hearing here is that when those issues occur, Niner has responded quickly and professionally. I'm 6'3" and 185 pounds and I've broken a frame or two, mostly because I ride a lot and I'm fairly heavy, not because I do big drops. If I get the RIP, I've been looking at Big Kahuna Bikes In Littleton, Co., who offer a good deal on a frame and fork. I'm fairly certain I will get the 2011 Reba RLT Ti DualAir 29" 120mm, 20mm, Taperd. That way I can keep both my 20mm thru axle front wheels (one Arch and one Flow).

I don't expect fans of Niner to speak poorly about the RIP, but I was hoping those riding the RIP might offer their opinion on whether it is more a trail bike than an XC bike or if those doing lots of XC riding are finding it to be wello suited to that, as well as the more chunky trails.

Thanks for any comments or suggestions.
 

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I will give this a go. I owned an '09 RIP and loved it. I had come off a couple Maestro bikes (Trance X, Reign). Giant at the time had not gotten into 29ers. The RIP did EVERYTHING I wanted very well. I did my first 50 mile event on it and still would hit the black diamonds. As my skill increased, I felt it was more bike than I needed. After going through a bunch of frames, I am back on a Niner. A Jet this time. I absolutely love this bike. There is NO bob at all (32T x 11-34). The handling is razor sharp. All that being said, when I demoed the Anthem X, I personally thought it was a bit flexy. I have never heard anyone describe it like that before or since. My buddy who is bigger than me just built one up (bought the polished frame and had it stripped and powdercoated) and he doesn't find it flexy. I am sure the Pivot is great bike, but they are much more money. To me the RIP is a trail bike that can double as a XC/Endurance bike, and the Jet is a XC/Endurance bike that can double as a trail bike. I will tell you this though; when Niner releases the Jet and RIP in carbon (hurry up guys!), I will have a tough time deciding, but will probably go back to a RIP. Since there will be no weight penalty. Anyway, good luck.
 

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I've ridden an 08 RIP in chunky, rooty central CT for 2 years. Tomorrow, my 2011 RIP frame arrives with a Reba 140 fork and a new 20mm front wheel. My 29er experience is limited to the RIP, so I can't compare to other bikes. I do think, though, that the RIP is more of a trail bike as Coach said. The reason it also does well for smoother XC is the excellent rear suspension. It's as close to bob free as you're gonna get short of a hardtail, and that's with pro pedal off. It also does well while braking.

Of course, it comes down to personal preference. The extra inch of travel and stiffer frame (compared to the JET) are going to make the RIP handle rougher stuff easier. For chunky trails, it's a great choice. For smooth XC, it might be overkill, but will still pedal efficiently. For a mix of XC and trail? Well, I guess you have to decide which way you lean.
 

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As a fellow Arizonan and RIP owner

I have ridden everything you described. Flagstaff trails... From Schultz to Wasabi, my RIP eats this up. Sedona... From Submarine rock, to Hangover to Highline and Hog wash... again, this RIP is without question my weapon of choice. If I HAD to (but I don't) have only one bike, this would be the one. It only got better once I donned the 140mm Reba:thumbsup:
 

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I just got a RIP 2010, last weekend with some friends went to annadel state park (santa rosa, ca) a lot of rock gardens, climb and down hill, and I can tell you I am not going to ride my uzzi for a while, this bike did everything really good. I demo the pivot before I bought the RIP and both bikes are similar but price was a factor for me, also I think the RIP is more a do all bike.:thumbsup:
 

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I spent two days on a Pivot before I bought the Rip. Pivot felt more like a beefy Jet to me while the Rip is a much funner bike. Pivot climbed faster for me and felt more XC but the times on the Rip were close up and not at all close on the way down with the Rip being much faster as the terrain got more technical. I do think the Pivot is a great bike but I have a hardtail niner and I wanted a more fun bike for the down
 

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I'm 6'3" and 185 pounds and I've broken a frame or two, mostly because I ride a lot and I'm fairly heavy, not because I do big drops.
I'm your height and weight and have thrown everything I can at my size XL RIP since getting it in the fall of 2009. For me, the do all factor has me riding it in XC races, endurance races, trail rides, training rides - any ride. A simply swap of tires helps gear it up for which ever ride I am doing. My theory is that we tall guys need 120mm of travel to equate to what a shorter and lighter rider feels on 100mm of travel.

How will it compare to your Canzo? I've got a JET 9 (3" or rear travel), a Sugar 293 (4" of rear travel) and the RIP. The rear travel on the RIP makes the rear end of a 3" or 4" travel 29"er feel like a Hardtail in comparison. It's that plush. That's why we all say the RIP feels like it "eats" things up on the trail because it does, yet still rides and handles like an XC bike.

<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5616890494/" title="RIPPING it through the trees... by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5023/5616890494_ea912421a8_z.jpg" width="580" height="387" alt="RIPPING it through the trees..."></a>

I don't expect fans of Niner to speak poorly about the RIP, but I was hoping those riding the RIP might offer their opinion on whether it is more a trail bike than an XC bike or if those doing lots of XC riding are finding it to be wello suited to that, as well as the more chunky trails.
That would be me. I feel - especially for our height and weight - that it is an XC bike (which happens to have 120mm of travel in the rear) that is also capable of the more chunky trails. You've got the option to run 120, 130 or 140mm up front. I like the quick handling for XC racing using the 120mm, so don't need more travel up front. But if I was going more trail and chunk oriented full time - I'd grab a 140mm fork.

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<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5595204388/" title="Rip post L.A. lap by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5595204388_06260c35cc_z.jpg" width="640" height="518" alt="Rip post L.A. lap"></a>

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<a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/4744397579/" title="Muddy RIP by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4744397579_502688706a_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="Muddy RIP"></a>

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Hi I really like the Rip9 to,I'm 6 ft 177 Ib & ride a large frame.

I have had so many bikes over the years & the Rip9 is a do it all bike for me,Anything that I through at it.

I can beat friends on DH bikes when doing shuttle runs & still do the XC tracks with speed.

The Rip9 really helps you push your self harder & will make you a much braver rider than what the likes of what a Jet9 will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58LxkfLjCM
 

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Been to Flag, BCT, Sedona, Prescott, Durango, McDowells, etc on it. Never broke a thing and I weigh 240 pounds wet. YMMV. The V2 version of the RIP with hydroformed frame is stronger. YMMV, some people can break anything. I've broken 2 Bionicon Edison frames, first one lasted 5 months, the second one 4 months. never broke a v1 RIP in well over 2 years and 7000 miles. Recently sold the frame since I bought a WFO. Get a non Boost Valved RP23 with that RIP frame. Consider a WFO as a RIP on EPO.

 

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I spent two days on a Pivot before I bought the Rip. Pivot felt more like a beefy Jet to me while the Rip is a much funner bike. Pivot climbed faster for me and felt more XC but the times on the Rip were close up and not at all close on the way down with the Rip being much faster as the terrain got more technical. I do think the Pivot is a great bike but I have a hardtail niner and I wanted a more fun bike for the down
Ride buddy has the PIVOT, I have a 09 RIP 9. This is dead on accurate IMHO.:thumbsup:
 

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Rip is best bike ever created

Longtime 29er rider. I have owned and demoed many, many bikes over the years, including the ones you are interested in. The RIP outperforms them all. It's simply amazing. it can do anything. The niner RIP 9 is the finest all around bike on the market today. Get one!

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I made a decision today

I got on the phone this morning and called Big Kahuna Bikes in Littleton, Co. to order an XL Niner R.I.P. with a Rock Shoc Reba RLT Ti set to 130mm with 20mm Maxle. They told me the prices on their web site do not reflect current inventory, as they are down to only a few 2010 frames, all small sizes. So I decided to pony up and pay $2325 for the 2011 frame, in Black Licorice, the 2011 Reba, and $25 in shipping. About $300 more than I would have paid for the 2010 frame.

So I didn't listen to my good friend who sells Giant Anthems, and I didn't listen to my other good friend and riding partner, who said I should get the Pivot 429. I listened to all of you, and to countless others who ride the R.I.P. and have reviewed it as the best do-all trail bike. I listened to a good friend who visited me this weekend from Bend, who said he met one of the owners of Niner at an airport and was very impressed with him and his ability to explain his bikes. I was sold by your enthusiasm for the R.I.P. and how emotional you get when discussing the way it makes you feel while riding. I've never seem another bike get this kind of support.

They hope to ship the frame and shock on Friday, if the Rock Shoc arrives by then. I may be riding it in less than two weeks. I am joining the Niner family and look forward to reporting on how it devours the trails in Arizona. Thank you all very much.
 
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