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I was just wondering if anyone is running their motolite with a coil-over rear shock. I did a quick search and scrolled through the Motolite set-up database but didn't spot anything. The Titus Motolite webpage states that it's available with a coil shock, but doesn't state which one. Maybe a DHX coil? That would be pretty sweet.

I'm going to a Titus demo in a few weeks (to try out the Supermoto) and I was thinking I should take a 'Lite for a spin to see how I like it. Although, I don't want to feel like I have to pull a demo_slug and and get both of them. ;) Thanks for any responses.

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Got it!!!

Got it, but don't know if I have the right spring for it. Want to get more time on it before I say anything (I can tell you this much, it blows every other shock out of the water). Got it from Bikerbob!!! He's the man. Now I'm just waiting for the new Talas.

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from the porn thread
Nice find, thanks demo. I like the build that the Big boss man slapped together here:



I'm just thinking, if I decide that a bike like the Supermoto is too much bike for everyday riding, then the Motolite could be a nice option. And not too expensive, especially relative to other ~5" bikes I've been eyeing such as the X-5 and 5 Pack.

I figure a ML with coil rear a beefy build and incrementally adjustable-travel coil fork (Pike, or maybe even Lyric for extra stiffness) would make a pretty zippy clyde-worthy trail bike. The only thing I'd be worried about is the fairly steep geometry (relative to what I'm looking for) and it's ability to handle jumps and moderate drops. I gotta say again, though, I sure like the price. I wonder what the upcharge is for the coil.

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I found another one, but I"ve never posted a link so?

PicSinc the ML handles moderate jumps and drops VERY well I really think you'd be impressed. And with a coil shock and thrue axel fork it might be just what your looking for.

But then again from following your posts, you seem like a guy who woudn't minde the extra wieght and what not of a burlier bike like the traile build SM or something else.

MBA may not be all that...but they "did" do thier SM review with the traile build, and if you hadn't seen witch bike they were reviewing you'd swear it was the ML.All the (hucker types) on this boarde seem to diagree with that application but I think it would be the bombdiggiddy.:thumbsup:
 

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I'm just thinking, if I decide that a bike like the Supermoto is too much bike for everyday riding, then the Motolite could be a nice option. And not too expensive, especially relative to other ~5" bikes I've been eyeing such as the X-5 and 5 Pack.

I figure a ML with coil rear a beefy build and incrementally adjustable-travel coil fork (Pike, or maybe even Lyric for extra stiffness) would make a pretty zippy clyde-worthy trail bike. The only thing I'd be worried about is the fairly steep geometry (relative to what I'm looking for) and it's ability to handle jumps and moderate drops. I gotta say again, though, I sure like the price. I wonder what the upcharge is for the coil.

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Patrick,

I basically bought my motolite to after spending a second winter riding my '02 Turner RFX with 5" rockers&fork for XC. I loved the RFX, but I wanted to return it to 6/7" travel mode and heavier build for summer free-ride use and build something up for XC that would ride similar to the RFX in 5/5" mode but without the extra frame weight. The motolite was the answer and I am very happy with it (and also very happy to have my '02 RFX configured for FR use, which is really it's forte')

So a few thoughts-
The motolite does have steeper angles than a 5-spot or 5-pack. I played around with forks and found that a marzcchi AM-series fork adjusted to 140mm travel gave me similar handling to the RFX- about a 68-68.5d head angle.

The turners have a more linear suspension feel than the motolite, given the same rear shock (i've ridden both with RP3's). This is both good and bad- the turner's seem to use more travel, but also more prone to bottoming. The motolite really ramps up (at least with an air shock) making it feel active yet firm. I think the motolite would feel great with a coil rear as it would balance out the rising rate, creating a plusher ride.

My bikes are pretty similar in terms of stiffness which is impressive, given the motolite frame is 3lbs lighter than my '02 RFX. No question, the motolite climbs better and the turner feels plusher going down (with 5" rockers- it's a different frame with 6" rockers). With my current builds, there is about an 8lb difference between bikes.

If you want to do a lot of hucks, the 5-pack might be a better call. I think the motolite is comparable to the 5-spot in terms of intended use. I weigh 170 and have no hesitation to huck the motolite off mid-size XC stunts drops and jumps. Titus said the ML can handle it. But I would not choose the motolite for true FR abuse, just as I wouldn't choose the RFX for XC rides with big climbs. It's been discussed here before, personally I would always prefer a lighter frame with burly parts over a heavier frame with light parts.

The shop I bought my ML from, offered the DHX coil for a $175 upcharge over the stock float R. I think this was based on OE pricing. I went with the rp3 to create more contrast between my bikes.

Hope there was some useful info for you in my E-rambling. :rolleyes:
 

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FM said:
The motolite does have steeper angles than a 5-spot or 5-pack. I played around with forks and found that a marzcchi AM-series fork adjusted to 140mm travel gave me similar handling to the RFX- about a 68-68.5d head angle.
I think that's about where I want to be, especially for technical sections and steep terrain. But I also want to be able to steepen it on-the-fly around 1+ degree to improve climbing. Although I'm sure the ML is a capable climber. Moreso than I am, at least. :eek:

FM said:
The turners have a more linear suspension feel than the motolite, given the same rear shock (i've ridden both with RP3's). This is both good and bad- the turner's seem to use more travel, but also more prone to bottoming. The motolite really ramps up (at least with an air shock) making it feel active yet firm. I think the motolite would feel great with a coil rear as it would balance out the rising rate, creating a plusher ride.
A plush, cushioned ride with excellent tracking is what I'm looking for. With no pedal feedback. Given my size and inclination to get a little rough with my steed ;) I feel that a robust shock designed for bigger hits (iow, not a Float or RP3) that has a bottom-out control is my best bet, regardless of what frame I get.

FM said:
My bikes are pretty similar in terms of stiffness which is impressive, given the motolite frame is 3lbs lighter than my '02 RFX. No question, the motolite climbs better and the turner feels plusher going down (with 5" rockers- it's a different frame with 6" rockers). With my current builds, there is about an 8lb difference between bikes.

If you want to do a lot of hucks, the 5-pack might be a better call. I think the motolite is comparable to the 5-spot in terms of intended use.
The truth is, I don't know exactly how my riding is going to evolve. So it's difficult to pick according to intended use. I'm currently on a HT, and I tend to baby it a little because I'm not sure if certain parts will hold up under too much abuse. I'd say for the riding I do currently, a Spot or ML type bike would be fine. But that means I've got to refrain from (or limit) any urban riding, DJ or higher speed technical DH stuff I might want to do.

FM said:
I weigh 170 and have no hesitation to huck the motolite off mid-size XC stunts drops and jumps. Titus said the ML can handle it.
I read somewhere recently (it was an older post, though) that there was a weight limit of around 215lbs on the ML. Know I've seen at least a few posts, even recently, that were from clydes on Motolites, so maybe that's not so anymore (or never was) or pertains to the Ti or Exogrid frames.

FM said:
But I would not choose the motolite for true FR abuse, just as I wouldn't choose the RFX for XC rides with big climbs. It's been discussed here before, personally I would always prefer a lighter frame with burly parts over a heavier frame with light parts.
I see your logic. I've got almost 100lbs on you, though, and I think that standard recommendations may not apply. Meaning maybe I need a heavy frame with heavy parts. As you said, I would not expect to be able to do FR on the ML (or similar), regardless of the build.

FM said:
The shop I bought my ML from, offered the DHX coil for a $175 upcharge over the stock float R. I think this was based on OE pricing.
That brings the list price of the ML frame up to almost $1600. That's what the Supermoto goes for. Another $300-400 get me the 5 Pack (with DHX Coil). It's tough to decide what's the most suitable product, and then how to obtain the best value.

I do feel that if I go with a ML then I probably will eventually want to get a bigger hit bike. Which is why I'm leaing towards a slightly longer travel do-it-all. We'll see how I feel after test riding.

FM said:
Hope there was some useful info for you in my E-rambling. :rolleyes:
Absolutely, it's all very helpful.

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Warp said:
Agreed with FM... seems like you are looking for something with more travel than both the ML and 5 Spot.
Yeah, it does.

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I'd say some more abuse ready HT like the Evils, a Turner RFX or a Titus Supermoto.
I've got a Kona Hoss HT and I have no questions about the frames ability to handle some abuse. It's some of the components that I'm leary of. For me to have more confidence in it I'd want to get higher quality hand-built wheels, a thru-axle trail-worthy fork (a la Pike), heavier-duty cranks, and more powerful brakes. With the $ I'd drop on those upgrades I'm most of the way to a strong, funtional, but not-blinged out Motolite. Plus, I definitely want a dualie to take alleviate some of the abuse my body takes.

Turner RFX: The shock leverage ratio (3:1) is a little high for a guy my size and I'd be concerned about the shocks performance and durability. Otherwise, it's a good option (and I am considering the 5 Pack, Turners RFX/Spot combo).

The Supermoto: From an abuse standpoint, I'm quite sure the 'moto could handle anything that I dish out. It's the geometry that concerns me a little, in terms of general trail riding. Its got a 67* head angle with a 150mm fork. In my area there is a decent amount of climbing and I'm just concerned that even with an adjustable travel fork that it will be a big struggle to ascend on. This aspect of this bike concerns me more than the heavier weight of the frame with a coil shock.

I am excited to be able to get to ride these bikes on real, local trails so I can stop speculating and start deciding. :rolleyes:

Thanks for your input.

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PCinSC said:
Yeah, it does.
Turner RFX: The shock leverage ratio (3:1) is a little high for a guy my size and I'd be concerned about the shocks performance and durability. Otherwise, it's a good option (and I am considering the 5 Pack, Turners RFX/Spot combo).
Thanks for your input.

Patrick
I totally relate- if I could tweak the design on the motolite, really the only thing I would change is I would go to a thicker butted head tube. I think the rear and and the rest of the front triangle could handle a 6" fork, and the geometry would be perfect. That would open up our fork selection to include adjustable 6" forks that currently might be a stretch for the motolite, especially fo rlighter riders.

The 5-pack is really a cool bike- I love my RFX. In 5" mode, it could handle serious true FR trails (I took it to the northshore in 5+5" mode and was quite happy), yet still had geometry that worked great for XC trail riding. Like a motolite with lots of extra beef. in 5" mode the frame is 2.5:1, I ran a #100 lighter spring than with the 6" rockers.

Another bike that might be worth considering is the Cove Hustler....
 

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PCinSC said:
Yeah, it does.

The Supermoto: From an abuse standpoint, I'm quite sure the 'moto could handle anything that I dish out. It's the geometry that concerns me a little, in terms of general trail riding. Its got a 67* head angle with a 150mm fork. In my area there is a decent amount of climbing and I'm just concerned that even with an adjustable travel fork that it will be a big struggle to ascend on. This aspect of this bike concerns me more than the heavier weight of the frame with a coil shock.

Thanks for your input.

Patrick
Pike with U-Turn?
Zoke's are taller for the same travel.

That would drive your geometry to acceptable levels for pedaling (we have a lot of that crap around here too.. :D)

Just check for BB height issues.

Random thoughts here...
 

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The Supermoto: From an abuse standpoint, I'm quite sure the 'moto could handle anything that I dish out. It's the geometry that concerns me a little, in terms of general trail riding. Its got a 67* head angle with a 150mm fork.
XL supermoto. personaly I thought that the 67* HA is wishfull thinking. I think it is steeper. maybe they are factoring in some 1.5 headset spacer thingy. I had to put a 40 on mine to get it raked out... and its still way steep compared to a demo9 or any "DH" race bike.

when I had a travel adjustible fork ( sherman firefly) the SM climbed as good as my ML.

an XL SM with a 36 tallas 2 and you would be set for anything.
 

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If I were building a burly trail bike Motolite... I'd go coil shock and Coil Pike and some decently burly wheels and go just about anywhere. That sounds like the perfect do anything bike. Of course I'm disregarding the clydesdale issue and whether you should get a Super Moto or not..... but really if you're not going to be hucking 6 footers all day the ML built like this would handle just about anything even for a big guy.

What about waiting for the new Moto-X, Quasi-Moto or whatever they're going to call the new 6inch trail bike? I think that's hot.
 

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FM said:
I totally relate- if I could tweak the design on the motolite, really the only thing I would change is I would go to a thicker butted head tube. I think the rear and and the rest of the front triangle could handle a 6" fork, and the geometry would be perfect. That would open up our fork selection to include adjustable 6" forks that currently might be a stretch for the motolite, especially fo rlighter riders.
Maybe we're really just talking about the upcoming 6" trail bike from Titus, what's it called? The "Bushwacker Sixty" or something. ;)

FM said:
The 5-pack is really a cool bike- I love my RFX. In 5" mode, it could handle serious true FR trails (I took it to the northshore in 5+5" mode and was quite happy), yet still had geometry that worked great for XC trail riding.
That's cool, I'd like this bike to be able to handle that type of riding (you know...for when my skills actually improve to the point where I can do that type of riding :eek: ).

FM said:
Another bike that might be worth considering is the Cove Hustler....
I'd be interested in trying it out. I don't think I'm going to make it up to the NS before I buy this bike, though.

I am hoping to take a trip out to Whistler after I get this bike. The wife has already, sort-of, semi-agreed to a Whistler vacation, lured by the offer of a week at the Four Seasons. Although I don't know what kind of $ is going to be left for any kind of vacation after this bike purchase. :D

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XL supermoto. personaly I thought that the 67* HA is wishfull thinking. I think it is steeper. maybe they are factoring in some 1.5 headset spacer thingy. I had to put a 40 on mine to get it raked out... and its still way steep compared to a demo9 or any "DH" race bike.
Interesting. Have you ever measured the HA to get a real-world number?

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when I had a travel adjustible fork ( sherman firefly) the SM climbed as good as my ML.
Even more interesting. Climbed as good...but what? I sense there's a but there. Heavier, obviously. Geometry makes it potentially less "flickable" on the trail. Although, the WB on the Supermoto isn't all that long, so it probable is pretty mobile. Cool.

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an XL SM with a 36 tallas 2 and you would be set for anything.
XL would be huge. I'm a big boy, but not very tall (not really short either...5' 11"). I'm thinking medium, because I'd like a shorter cockpit.

36 Talas: Air scares me. Maybe I shouldn't be frightened, but I am. If with a solid, non-budget build I'm thinking more like a Lyrik coil U-turn. Or if I go all out then I'd get the coil U-turn Totem.

Thanks for your input.

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Interesting. Have you ever measured the HA to get a real-world number?

Even more interesting. Climbed as good...but what? I sense there's a but there. Heavier, obviously. Geometry makes it potentially less "flickable" on the trail. Although, the WB on the Supermoto isn't all that long, so it probable is pretty mobile. Cool.

XL would be huge. I'm a big boy, but not very tall (not really short either...5' 11"). I'm thinking medium, because I'd like a shorter cockpit.

36 Talas: Air scares me. Maybe I shouldn't be frightened, but I am. If with a solid, non-budget build I'm thinking more like a Lyrik coil U-turn. Or if I go all out then I'd get the coil U-turn Totem.

Thanks for your input.

Patrick
I thought I read you were 6'2".... sorry my bad.

no medium for you.

I'm 6' even...... on the dot, measured at the doctor office with no shoes or socks... I meet lots of guys that are 2 inchs shorter then me and claim to be 6 foot. they get mad at me when I say I'm 6 foot even........:rolleyes:

the supermoto already comes with the correct FR geometry. no need to go down a size.

the large SM is almost too small for me. I have to run atleast a 90mm stem so that I can sprint out of the sadle climb without my knee pads hitting my handle bars. nothing wrong with a 90mm stem, but it does look wierd with a 40.

large is better>>>>>>>>

you actually get 4-5 inches of seat post adjustment room on the large. the medium you only get 3-4 inches to play with. I'm a seat post droper... 4 inches is the most you'll get with a Gravity dropper post and I already get that. and 4-5 inches works for me.

SM geometery>>>>>>>>>

with a 5 inch fox fork they quoted the SM in 2005 at a 70 HA* , MBA tested it and called it mistake proof. including its ablity to climb. with a 5 inch fork the SM climbs like a goat.

the only but is the weight of my agro trail bike build and my love of 1400g tires. and the ML pedals more snappy.

when I had the firefly locked down the supermoto had better geomtry for climbing then my ML ( a got a vanilla on the front of my ML). I was more likly to clean a section on my SM. but I would be cashed afterwords due to the 40 pounds of bike and the DH tires.
 

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this is day one with my supermoto. poor little zoke. that was the end of 30mm stantions for me. and zokes.


first day with the firefly, huge improvment!


2 busted fireflys later manitou sent me a travis. huge improvement!


now I got a fox40. even better!!!.

but take a look. the geometry isn't very slack with the smaller forks.
 

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Pike with U-Turn?
Zoke's are taller for the same travel.
Or something like the RS Lyrik (I seem to be a little stuck on that fork, don't I?). I like the idea of thicker than 32mm stanchions and the ability to dial down to 115mm travel would probably work out OK for climbing.

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That would drive your geometry to acceptable levels for pedaling (we have a lot of that crap around here too.. :D)
The only thing I don't like is that if I have to run the fork at ~130-140mm travel to get the geometry I desire (specifically HA) for general trail riding then the front end and rear end will have quite different amounts of travel (rear has "170mm of earth leveling travel that will make 5 foot drops feel like your rolling out of your driveway" according to Titus). I just wonder if the bike will feel unbalanced in some way because of that.

IOW, when paired with the 170mm of rear travel is 130-140mm of fork travel enough to "level the earth"? :rolleyes: :smilewinkgrin:

Warp said:
Just check for BB height issues.
BB height with Fox 36 Talas is 14.65". I'd be willing to bet that it's still around or above 14" even with 130mm travel. Just a guess, though.

Warp said:
Random thoughts here...
Good ones, thanks.

Patrick
 
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