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Anyone see these...Moots Slider Dropouts ? SS to geared with disc brakes and no EBB...looks interesting. On a Mooto-X YBB this would be interesting.
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Correct.donkey said:I believe the hooded paragon dropouts seen in the pic are only available to Moots at this time.....I could be wrong though.
According to a phone call I had w/ Moots, the hoods provide significant strength stability for the rear end and the drop out area... FWIWBigwheel said:My bad . Totally missed the memo on the hood detail.
To me the hooded drops look like trailcrap collectors. I prefer the cleaner, stock setup as shown here on a steel bike.
It also looks to me like ultimately both setups will perform the same function in the same manner?
All I know is that I am awaiting a custom US built Ti hardtail frame that has the regular old workingman Paragon dropouts speced so I guess I will be going hoodless, but for less than half the cost, I guess I'll manage.
It may just be the pic but it looks like the hoods limit how far the dropout will slide on the disc mount side.Super E said:Anyone see these...Moots Slider Dropouts ? SS to geared with disc brakes and no EBB...looks interesting. On a Mooto-X YBB this would be interesting.
It sure looks like that is the intention of the hood design to me also.They especially need the extra strength due to the cutouts (another dental floss detail) in the dropouts themselves?Padre said:According to a phone call I had w/ Moots, the hoods provide significant strength stability for the rear end and the drop out area... FWIW
You would expect them to say something else?Padre said:According to a phone call I had w/ Moots, the hoods provide significant strength stability for the rear end and the drop out area... FWIW
I always thought it was to make "one size fits all" with easy alignment in the welding jig.Onetrack said:The most important reason behind hooded/Breezer dropouts is that they provide a larger surface area in which to weld the seatstays and chainstays, thus providing more strength and stiffness
There is no doubt that Moots has a plan and is sticking to it. It works for them and their customers. When people buy into any type of brand loyalty they have to be able to take a few jibes from people that haven't, it's the old Chevy vs. Ford syndrome.Fluid Dynamics said:I dont see any of you guys saying "I could go out and buy a great riding Ti frame from someone other that Jeff Jones and save 4K!" or complaining about Black Sheep's designs being all marketing.....
Exactly. Hooded dropouts make a stronger joint for Ti bikes and provides more weld area than the other options like notched & capped. Not necessarily the case for steel bikes where you can notch the dropouts and then braze & fill.Onetrack said:The most important reason behind hooded/Breezer dropouts is that they provide a larger surface area in which to weld the seatstays and chainstays, thus providing more strength and stiffness
no doubt.Bigwheel said:... and for the most part this is a pretty brutal audience....
Bigwheel said:and for the most part this is a pretty brutal audience.
Production bikes that appear to be not as well thought out as one individual might think and ones in the prototype phase are two different animals.the_eleven said:no doubt.
Probably more I would guess.Bigwheel said:If everybody rode a double diamond frame fixed gear perhaps there would be less bike snobbery around? But I doubt it.![]()