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I know I came across a thread that discussed each year model and the differences. Now I can't find it. Can anyone help? Thanks a bunch and Merrry Christmas.
 

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????- 2000 -- I think these are ported dampers, 170mm
2001- 2002 -- dual hscv carts, 9 lbs, 170mm travel
2003 -up -- moto carts, 200 mm, 11 lbs

my 2 cents, '02 is the best year to get
 

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rpl3000 said:
????- 2000 -- I think these are ported dampers, 170mm
2001- 2002 -- dual hscv carts, 9 lbs, 170mm travel
2003 -up -- moto carts, 200 mm, 11 lbs

my 2 cents, '02 is the best year to get
thanks for your help. Does anyone know if the 2000 model is upgradable to the hscv cartridges?
 

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02 is the best year. it has dual hscv which just makes it ride so smooth. 99-02 is the lightest year too. right around 9 pounds. 03-06 weight in the neighnood of 13 pounds and have motocross type carts in them. i ride an 02 and am amazed by the performance of the fork. i herd 00 was the worst year to get damping was just no good.
 

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rpl3000 said:
????- 2000 -- I think these are ported dampers, 170mm
2001- 2002 -- dual hscv carts, 9 lbs, 170mm travel
2003 -up -- moto carts, 200 mm, 11 lbs

my 2 cents, '02 is the best year to get
No.

-1999 Dual cartridge dampers, both rebound-adjustable. 175mm of travel.
-2000 One compression- adjustable cartridge, and one rebound-adjustable. Some users fond that the compression-adjustable cartridge made the fork feel harsh, some users drilled out the compression cartridge to allow free oil flow.
-2001 Dual HSCV cartridges, both rebound-adjustable. Virtually same as 1999, cartridge differences very small, still the same basic thing HSCV=cartridge damper
-2002 Dual HSCV Cartridges, both rebound-adjustable. Addition of bleed ports on top caps for
-2003+ Shiver MX cartridge damper, basically a cartridge damper, but much more advanced. 200mm of travel, new chassi.

If you find an 1999, 2001 or 2002, replace the oil, seals and possibly bushings. If the legs are not all scratched up, you'll usually end up with a killer fork after doing these things.
 
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No.

-1999 Dual cartridge dampers, both rebound-adjustable. 175mm of travel.
-2000 One compression- adjustable cartridge, and one rebound-adjustable. Some users fond that the compression-adjustable cartridge made the fork feel harsh, some users drilled out the compression cartridge to allow free oil flow.
-2001 Dual HSCV cartridges, both rebound-adjustable. Virtually same as 1999, cartridge differences very small, still the same basic thing HSCV=cartridge damper
-2002 Dual HSCV Cartridges, both rebound-adjustable. Addition of bleed ports on top caps for
-2003+ Shiver MX cartridge damper, basically a cartridge damper, but much more advanced. 200mm of travel, new chassi.

If you find an 1999, 2001 or 2002, replace the oil, seals and possibly bushings. If the legs are not all scratched up, you'll usually end up with a killer fork after doing these things.
why did you stop using your old Jm. account with over 7K posts?

basically, get 2002
 

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Thanks Jayem.

[QUOTE=Jayem

Thanks for all of the info. I knew I had seen it before. I guess it's the '02 model.

I'm still curious if the 2000 is convertible since there are a few for sale on ebay right now.

Thanks again.
 

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I'm still curious if the 2000 is convertible since there are a few for sale on ebay right now.

Thanks again.
What do you mean "convertable"??

If marzocchi has any Monster T cartridges, you could retrofit a rebound-adjustable cartridge in there to replace the compression cartridge. Or you could just drill out the compression cartridge and you'd still have a pretty good fork. The rebound-adjustable catridges are basically the same as "HSCV", but if you want to put two new cartridges in there from an 02 monster, it's definitely possible, and only a matter of if marzocchi has some. They usually do have some of these parts, but it's getting scare for some of the older forks.
 
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What do you mean "convertable"??

If marzocchi has any Monster T cartridges, you could retrofit a rebound-adjustable cartridge in there to replace the compression cartridge. Or you could just drill out the compression cartridge and you'd still have a pretty good fork. The rebound-adjustable catridges are basically the same as "HSCV", but if you want to put two new cartridges in there from an 02 monster, it's definitely possible, and only a matter of if marzocchi has some. They usually do have some of these parts, but it's getting scare for some of the older forks.
Marzocchi didnt call the damping HSCV before 2001, correct?
 

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Jayem said:
What do you mean "convertable"??

If marzocchi has any Monster T cartridges, you could retrofit a rebound-adjustable cartridge in there to replace the compression cartridge. Or you could just drill out the compression cartridge and you'd still have a pretty good fork. The rebound-adjustable catridges are basically the same as "HSCV", but if you want to put two new cartridges in there from an 02 monster, it's definitely possible, and only a matter of if marzocchi has some. They usually do have some of these parts, but it's getting scare for some of the older forks.
That's what I was thinking. Sorry for not being clearer. I guess I'll talk to Marz tomorrow and see what could be done.

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Marzocchi didnt call the damping HSCV before 2001, correct?
No. I was trying to avoid the term that they used because it is confusing.

It was called an "SSV cartridge damper", not to be confused with current day "SSV" damping. Completely different, and probably why the original guy that thought he knew the differences was confused.

SSV cartridge damper=HSCV damper

So, if you looked in a 1998 or 1999 marzocchi catalog, you'd notice that the high end forks had "SSV catridge dampers", and if you looked in a 2002 catalog, you'd see the same high end forks with "HSCV" dampers. The term "HSCV" was deemed to describe an improvement to the high speed circut WITHIN this damper, but the name just sort of "stuck" and allowed marzocchi to differentiate between the newer and the older stuff. After riding and working on all of them, I'd say that the difference between an HSCV damper and it's older version is around 3% or less, very small and most people would not be able to tell any difference. These things have been working well since 1997 with the original bomber, and if you want to really split hairs, the same basic design existed before that with their air-shocks and it was just the bomber chassi with coil springs that harnessed it. The difference between the older cartridge dampers and the newer HSCV stuff is very small. The various Monster Ts that I've worked on and used, my own 1998 Super T pro, my 1998 Z2, and post 2000 marzocchi forks (DC and SC shivers amongst other DC and SC marzs) are what I base this on. There's a lot of other marz forks that I've serviced and used that are also not in there. Things stay the same more often than not, but the new TST bladder damper that is used in the AM series is all new. The RC2 cartridge may have some of the same basic parts as the HSCV, but it has a completely new adjustment to it. The 2003+ monster T cartridges are a more complex (and effective?) version of the basic cartridge damper theme, different though because they are truely from an MX fork.
 

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mtn_man2 said:
Jayem Thanks for all of the info. I knew I had seen it before. I guess it's the '02 model. I'm still curious if the 2000 is convertible since there are a few for sale on ebay right now. Thanks again.[/QUOTE said:
I got a 2000 last fall. What I did was something Brian from Marzocchi suggested -- I put a lighter oil in the comression damping leg. I rebuilt it with new seals, 7.5w in the rebound side and 5w in the compression side.

I love this fork. Plush, no flex at all, and I've yet to bottom it out. I may try drilling out the compression side, but frankly, I don't see the need.
 

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02 was definitely the best year... I am working on a customer's bike right now with the 2004 and I can barely lift the bloody bike into my workstand... :) Its freakin heavy.
 
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