[swan3609]

Between the Mongoose Teocali super and the Khyber super, which bike should I get?

I am set on Mongoose for various reasons, but I am unsure which bike I should get, I am leaning towards the Khyber but I am really not sure.. opinions on either bike would be appreciated.

I am a very agressive rider that comes from a Downhillin background but converted to super D's and all mountian racing. So naturally I would Like a bike that decends like a mini-Dh bike but that can still be competitive on the climbs..

Both bikes share that same stans ZTR wheel set and tires so the rotating weight of both bikes are that same..and the static weight of the khyber is all in the addition of the travel over the teocali. And also I am sold on the Hammerschmidt so If I got the teocali I would be selling the ccranks for the Hammerschmidt set up. the intended job of this bike would be a Super D/ Downieville bike formost and then a XC/24 hour endurence bike after that..

So like I said I am leaning towards the Khyber due to the minimal weight difference, slacker more dh feeling geo, and the fact that it has the Hammerschmidt already, but I am slightly worried about the weight of it and if it will be able to climb at places like Downieville well.

I am looking for anyone who has ridden either bike and could describe to me the assets or downfalls of either bike.. If you have ridden both and could give me a compairison that would be even better.

 

[DucJ]

Get the Khyber.
I have the '09Teocali Super and it's a great bike but it's more of a trail bike. The HTA is too steep for what you are looking for..
The Teocali Descends great but is very twitchy..
Freedrive climbs awsome, so I wouldn't worry too much about the Khybers slight weight increase..You can always lighten it up a bit..

 

[swan3609]

Get the Khyber.
I have the '09Teocali Super and it's a great bike but it's more of a trail bike. The HTA is too steep for what you are looking for..
The Teocali Descends great but is very twitchy..
Freedrive climbs awsome, so I wouldn't worry too much about the Khybers slight weight increase..You can always lighten it up a bit..

thanks goose, Thats what I figured.. the weight difference once I would add a Hammerschmidt to the teocali would only be a few pounds... and I know that the geo on the Khyber would be a win for me on the Super d aspect.. and I forgot to say that my dad is also getting a teocali that would conveniently fit me as well, I am just being nit picky about the technical and weight differences between them and compairisons between them..

 

[managedenemy]

My two cents is this; I would buy the bike I would ride most.

 

[XCkiller]

I hate to jack the thread, but..... I was looking into getting a new trail bike (mongoose teocali) this coming spring/summer. I already checked the reviews and they seem to be solid bikes. Any other pro's or con's i should know about? I currently ride a ibex and have already cracked my frame once:madman:

 

[managedenemy]

I hate to jack the thread, but..... I was looking into getting a new trail bike (mongoose teocali) this coming spring/summer. I already checked the reviews and they seem to be solid bikes. Any other pro's or con's i should know about? I currently ride a ibex and have already cracked my frame once:madman:

I would say get hold of Pacific Cycle who owns Mongoose and ask about the standards they use to test frames. They are on the web. This will let you know if the frame will hold.
Also explain to them how you ride and ask if the suspension will hold up for you.
For what I do it's great.

 

[XCkiller]

i'll do that managedE:thumbsup: any recommendations between the 2? i am only 160lbs but am a fairly agressive trail rider. I love hitting highly technical lines with lots of obstacles and some small jumps and drops no bigger than 5 ft. I also like to race alot though... and in ohio its almost all XC trails ranging from 15-30 miles in distance. so i am sorta stuck here:skep:

 

[deoreo]

Hey XCkiller - If you are in Cleveland, you know that Ray's has Mongoose demo days. Check with them to see when it will be this year. GT already had their demo this year.

http://www.raysmtb.com/

I've ridden the Teocali, and Khyber - and both are great, I prefer the Khyber (I like its geometry better.)

There is tech riding in OH, the rocks out at West Branch, Vultures Knob, Mohican Wilderness, Dillon State Park. Not a ton, but it's quality stuff :thumbsup:

 

[CaveGiant]

I bought a Teocali Elite Womens for my wife, that bike is amazing.

The suspension is very plush and tracks the ground amazingly well, however there is no pedal bob, none. Even my old bike with a lockout moved a cm with pedling.
this is without propedal turned on, perfect bob free ride.

Again I would say it is a trail bike, eficient pedaling with squishy suspension.

You have to see the suspension ride to believe how well it works.

love that bike.

 

[Hulkamaniac]

I guess I should chime in, as I've owned a teocali elite since May of 2008. I was originally going to get a Khyber, as I race dh and ride moto...stable handling and slack'ish angles are my preference, but after some thought on how I would actually be using the bike I opted to scale back to the teocali. I primarily wanted a bike that I could do it all on, a jack-of-all-trades if you like, but a bike that still had 5+ inches of suspension travel and went up as well as it went down.

Long story short, in the teocali I have found a bike that takes everything asked of it and comes out cleanly on the other side without so much as a complaint. Epic xc rides, super technical trail rides, jumps/bumps/drops in the trail (I don't go out of my way to jump/drop things on this bike, but I don't shy away from them either), night riding, local buff xc trails, the odd xc race or two, off-season light shuttling....I've done it all on this bike and thoroughly enjoyed it.

I demo'ed a Khyber a few months back and loved it going down, felt it was okay pedalling around our local xc loop, and found myself wishing I had my teocali underneath me when the trail went up. The teocali gives up a little on the downhills to the Khyber, but it more than makes up for it everywhere else....and I'll rely on 14+ years of dh racing to get me down anything instead.

I've made quite a few changes to my teocali that have both lightened it up and made it more of a precision tool for my riding, but the base I started from wasn't far off of what I was wanting for years.

Both are great bikes, but as somone else mentioned above make your decision based on what you'll be using the bike for a majority of the time. I've bought bikes/frames in the past that were so one-use oriented thinking I'd adapt them to being more of an all-rounder, only to get frustrated and end up selling them or letting them sit for a long time. Buy the right tool the first time around and save yourself a lot of money.

 

[XCkiller]

thanks you guys! i really appreciate your 2cents hulk:thumbsup: cause i was leaning the same way you were, i had originally wanted a bike that could take huge hits, but then i figured it wouldnt do me as much good in a long XC race. So im think the Teocali will be the way to go

 

[newking]

I have not ridden either bike but let me say they sure look sweet for 2010 and I think the specs to price ratio makes them very attractive. I was thinking about adding a AM bike later in 2010 and was looking at the Diamondback Mission, but the specs on Khyber and Teocali will have me watching both of these bikes. The frames look somewhat similar. Can't believe the Khyber retails for only ~$3300 with Hammerschmidt, Avid Brakes, Stans wheels, rock shox suspension, adjustable seatpost & even has pedals!

 

[swan3609]

hey guys.. sorry for not keeping up with my own thread.. but I have decided that I am going to get the Khyber.. I currently have a HT ride for the local XC races and stuff and I realized that the Teocali would turn into anouther trail bike, where as the khyber would be a much better for what I race and ride mostly..

I am getting this bike as a very aggresive AM bike. The races that this bike will see are going to be Super D's where I want a DH feeling geo and bike that I can still climb on. As well I will be racing this bike on any of our local DH races that dont have a burly technical section. This bike will also be a shuttle rig on all of our local trails except the big DH courses around here. So I definatly decided that the Khyber is going to be alot better at doing what I need then the Teocali, Its much more durable and jsut better for what I need.

Next was the fact that I have a few buddies that Just got bikes that had that the hammerschmidt on it and I am sold on it, so I decided that not only the Khyber would be better suited for what I need, but also what ever bike I got I was going to put the 'Schmidt on it no matter what, the fact the khyber has it and the teocali doesnt was anouther point for me.