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I picked up the latest issue of Mountain Bike Action(Jan 06) and saw that they had a review of the 06 Motolite. MBA loves the bike with not a single gripe. Nothing. In the final paragraph, RC writes: "The Moto-lite is the perfect "One Bike"-Titus style. This is an ultracapable, cross-country trailbike that can do just about anything in the hands of a good rider. The Moto-lite is about maximizing the technical skills of an accomplished cross-country trail rider or boosting the range and climbing abilities of an experienced technical specialist. Either way you look at it, Titus has produced a winner."

No mention whatsoever about tire clearance in the rear. I'm curious what MBA would've said about the 05 swingarm. Maybe nothing. There's a full page glossy Titus ad on the inside back cover. Kinda reminded me of Cannondale and MBA in the 90's. Great bike BTW.
 

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I picked up the latest issue of Mountain Bike Action(Jan 06) and saw that they had a review of the 06 Motolite. MBA loves the bike with not a single gripe. Nothing. In the final paragraph, RC writes: "The Moto-lite is the perfect "One Bike"-Titus style. This is an ultracapable, cross-country trailbike that can do just about anything in the hands of a good rider. The Moto-lite is about maximizing the technical skills of an accomplished cross-country trail rider or boosting the range and climbing abilities of an experienced technical specialist. Either way you look at it, Titus has produced a winner."

No mention whatsoever about tire clearance in the rear. I'm curious what MBA would've said about the 05 swingarm. Maybe nothing. There's a full page glossy Titus ad on the inside back cover. Kinda reminded me of Cannondale and MBA in the 90's. Great bike BTW.
The one thing that's confusing me is that they claim the HA is 70.5 degrees whereas I thought the HA is 69 in 5x5 mode. I might be wrong, but it sure does not feel like 70.5 to me.
 

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The one thing that's confusing me is that they claim the HA is 70.5 degrees whereas I thought the HA is 69 in 5x5 mode. I might be wrong, but it sure does not feel like 70.5 to me.
it sure should be in the 69s with a 5 inch fork.

yeah there is alot to be desired from MBA technical accuracy. for example they also say in the article that the Ti frame and exo grid frames are lighter, then alu.... but then again they don't spend as much time thinking about titus bikes as we do.

but, I think they know when a bike feels right. and the moto lite is a sweet chassis

also in the same issue they give Chirs C. "the happy dude award".

also in the article, they label the switch blade and supermoto as some of the all time best trail bikes.

MBA always spreads the love on to the titus bikes.
 

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MBA always spreads the love on to the titus bikes.
Titus, Specialized, Ellsworth, Turner, Giant, Santa Cruz ... are all brands loved by MBA and you can find nice ads of all of those in their mag.

As with anything... take it with a grain of salt. They gotta keep people reading and manufacturers paying. So they can't bash nothing in their hands unless it's a real stinker.

So far... a friend of mine (rzozaya) has a ML and I can only say that it makes me wanna lust for one. Impressive frame. And quality is heads and shoulders above the more expensive SC Blur.

Damn, why was I born poor... anyone needs a kidney??
 

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Warp2003 said:
Titus, Specialized, Ellsworth, Turner, Giant, Santa Cruz ... are all brands loved by MBA and you can find nice ads of all of those in their mag.

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They dogged on the Specialized Epic a bit in this issue. Said that the brain shock was to heavy and not better then the currently available platform shocks, and that the added expense of making the bike out of carbon was just to get the epic to competitive weight.

Yes take it with a gain of salt, but if MBA doesn't like it they'll provide criticism. and its just thier opinion
 

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They dogged on the Specialized Epic a bit in this issue. Said that the brain shock was to heavy and not better then the currently available platform shocks, and that the added expense of making the bike out of carbon was just to get the epic to competitive weight.

Yes take it with a gain of salt, but if MBA doesn't like it they'll provide criticism. and its just thier opinion
Don't get me wrong... I love MBA (only mag I read). I was just pointing out that they have preferences and why not, interests.

Personally, I like their articles and reviews. Do you remember that fight they had with Avid for the Ti version of the SD's or the epic battle with RS regarding the SID??
 

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The one thing that's confusing me is that they claim the HA is 70.5 degrees whereas I thought the HA is 69 in 5x5 mode. I might be wrong, but it sure does not feel like 70.5 to me.
Titus quotes all their geometry with a 100mm fork. I don't know why -- I doubt anybody would ride a 100mm fork on a ML.

Does anyone know the proper geometry with a 130mm TALAS? It's making my buying decision tough. I'm mostly deciding between a Stumpjumper FSR Pro (120 mm travel with the brain shock) and a Moto-Lite. One of the big complaints MBA has with the Stumpjumper 120s is the bottom bracket height -- it's 13.31" with a 130mm fork. Does anybody know the height on the ML? The new Titus website claims it's 13.25", but that's with the 100mm fork again. Is it really any higher than the Stumpie?

And those of you who have ridden the ML off-road (vs. my parking lot demo), do you donk your pedals on rocks a lot, or is it not an issue on this bike?
 

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Titus quotes all their geometry with a 100mm fork. I don't know why -- I doubt anybody would ride a 100mm fork on a ML.

Does anyone know the proper geometry with a 130mm TALAS? It's making my buying decision tough. I'm mostly deciding between a Stumpjumper FSR Pro (120 mm travel with the brain shock) and a Moto-Lite. One of the big complaints MBA has with the Stumpjumper 120s is the bottom bracket height -- it's 13.31" with a 130mm fork. Does anybody know the height on the ML? The new Titus website claims it's 13.25", but that's with the 100mm fork again. Is it really any higher than the Stumpie?

And those of you who have ridden the ML off-road (vs. my parking lot demo), do you donk your pedals on rocks a lot, or is it not an issue on this bike?
I have a Moto Lite and a '04 Stumpjumper FSR 100... The Moto Lite BB is taller than the Stumpjumper, and you can feel that. Even at 4" rear travel the BB it's taller than the Stumpie. However, I believe that Specialized has been raising the BB for the '05 and '06 models, so I don't know how it the new 120's compares to the Moto Lite. I have cleared a lot of rocks where I would have hit my peddals on my Stumpie. It's funny, but when I was begging to get used to the ML, sometimes I almost fell at first when I saw some obstacle and thought that it wouldn't clear... but I had no problem.

The Talas fork works great on the Moto Lite, and probably a variable travel fork really shines on this bike. I'm usually running the fork at 121mm travel, and lower it for the long climbs.

Both the Stumpie and Moto Lite have very good handling, are nice for peddaling (I feel almost no bob on them, less on the ML, but you're thinking on the brain for the Stumpjumper, so I don't know about that), their building quality is pretty high, have good looks, but I'm selling the Stumpjumper... the ML is just superior. To be sincere, maybe the Stumpjumper has some slightly better looks in it's shape, I like how the top and down tubes bends and the hole for the shock... but the ML has awesome welds and the clearcoat paint looks pretty nice. I would have probably kept the Stumpjumper, but both bikes are so similar it's not a practical option. It may be like having a VW Passat and an Audi A4, both cars are very good, but just the A4 is a better car, but theyre so similar that it makes no sense in keeping both.
 

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Warp2003 said:
Titus, Specialized, Ellsworth, Turner, Giant, Santa Cruz ... are all brands loved by MBA and you can find nice ads of all of those in their mag.

As with anything... take it with a grain of salt. They gotta keep people reading and manufacturers paying. So they can't bash nothing in their hands unless it's a real stinker.
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Well.. to be sincere, I think that most $$$ bikes are generarily pretty good, so it's hard to find a $4,000 plus bike review saying 'this bike looks like it was welded by a toddler, thankfully their two wheels are round, one pedal is larger than the other, it has some random feel at the brakes, etc.'. But it's sometimes funny how in a bike review they say a lot of things are good, but it has some bobbing (for the '05 Stumpjumper FSR 120), and then everybody (well, lot's of people) said that it wasn't a good bike because it bobbed. Forget that they said a lot of good things and improvements over previous models.
 

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Well.. to be sincere, I think that most $$$ bikes are generarily pretty good, so it's hard to find a $4,000 plus bike review saying 'this bike looks like it was welded by a toddler, thankfully their two wheels are round, one pedal is larger than the other, it has some random feel at the brakes, etc.'. But it's sometimes funny how in a bike review they say a lot of things are good, but it has some bobbing (for the '05 Stumpjumper FSR 120), and then everybody (well, lot's of people) said that it wasn't a good bike because it bobbed. Forget that they said a lot of good things and improvements over previous models.
Well.... they bashed the Litespeed Niota which is a 5000 rig...

Basically, what you can read between the lines is that the bike is too flexy and the suspension is not to die for on any mode and you should put your money into something else.

BTW... I gotta a fever on your frame and the only prescription is to have one... so please, while we're getting some chelas don't get too much distracted... I'm faster than you on the singletrack and you couldn't catch me up with my Warp :D
 

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I ride a 100 mm fork...

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Titus quotes all their geometry with a 100mm fork. I don't know why -- I doubt anybody would ride a 100mm fork on a ML.
I know a lot of folks on this forum say 115 mm is the sweet spot. but not for me and my trails. I do a lot of technical climbing oneast coast trails, and 115 just was too squirrily for me. However when I have ridden the ML out in Moab, I was running 115 with no problem.
 

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I know a lot of folks on this forum say 115 mm is the sweet spot. but not for me and my trails. I do a lot of technical climbing oneast coast trails, and 115 just was too squirrily for me. However when I have ridden the ML out in Moab, I was running 115 with no problem.
When I climb steep stuff, I dial the Talas down to 85mm, but for riding around stuff that's not too steep, I find 115-120 to make the bike very neutral. As usual, YMMV.
 

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No mention whatsoever about tire clearance in the rear. I'm curious what MBA would've said about the 05 swingarm. If this is helpful, I just got an '06 ML in for stock. It's got a Conti 2.3 Gravity in the back, lot's of room left, a 2.5 might get a bit tight at the top, but the sides have plenty of groove room. The BB height (spoken of elsewhere in this thread) is 13" with said tires, and Talas RLC @ max travel. Looks great, rides awesome, now I just hope I can sell some, being from Upstate NY the hype is just not here in great quantities, yet.=:)
 

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They dogged on the Specialized Epic a bit in this issue. Said that the brain shock was to heavy and not better then the currently available platform shocks, and that the added expense of making the bike out of carbon was just to get the epic to competitive weight.

Yes take it with a gain of salt, but if MBA doesn't like it they'll provide criticism. and its just thier opinion
To be more specific:

Quote from MBA Magazine:

"Specialied has spend four years making the Brain shock more forgiving while competitors have been dialing in their rears suspension to work with platforum shock like the Fox RP3 or Manitou Swinger. The performance gapo between the orgiginal Fox brain shock and platform shocks (applied to well designed suspension) has narrowed dramatically during this development period. Today's dual suspension cross country playing field is more level than 2003."

So, the 2005 brain and earlier brains were not that good, (I kinda agree, riding the Epic for year.) or below the other bikes with platform shock. The new brain fade is better, but it just is catching up to the field with the other platform bikes with RP3's and swimgers.

"It responds to the demands of the most talented pro level CC racer, but it does all this at a price."

No Way! Really? :rolleyes:

"Specialized's decision to use the Brain Fade shock has forced them to use exotic materials in other areas to get the bike's weight in lin with the competition, and this puts a premium on the bike."

You don't say, eh?

So brain fade is heavier than the predecessors, so they used CF to bring the weight down. So that means that the newer model is not really lighter than the predecessor. Just compensated for the heavier brain fade shock. It does make sense, more parts, more weight. Hmmm... very interesting. :cool: So the Non-Sworks Epics should be even more heavier, I guess they made it better, but with sacrifice in weight. Maybe next year, they'll come out with carbon fiber rear triangle.
 

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I was set on an '06 Stumpjumper FSR until I read the MBA bike test. While I still need to ride one to know for sure, this article made me very interested in a Moto Lite. My question to Titus aficionados is this: why is the ML, at $1395 retail, several hundred dollars cheaper than equivalent 5"-travel bikes, such as the Intense 5.5 or Turner 5-Spot?

Is the price a function of where it's manufactured, or the materials used, or something else? Overseas production would be totally irrelevant to me as I've been perfectly happy with the quality of Specialized bikes over the years. But if there is something else that could affect long-term durability, I'd really like to know. Please don't flame me as I'm not some troll looking to stir the pot. I just want to find out as much as I can before making any decision regarding my next bike.
 

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I was set on an '06 Stumpjumper FSR until I read the MBA bike test. While I still need to ride one to know for sure, this article made me very interested in a Moto Lite. My question to Titus aficionados is this: why is the ML, at $1395 retail, several hundred dollars cheaper than equivalent 5"-travel bikes, such as the Intense 5.5 or Turner 5-Spot?

Is the price a function of where it's manufactured, or the materials used, or something else? Overseas production would be totally irrelevant to me as I've been perfectly happy with the quality of Specialized bikes over the years. But if there is something else that could affect long-term durability, I'd really like to know. Please don't flame me as I'm not some troll looking to stir the pot. I just want to find out as much as I can before making any decision regarding my next bike.
Hi, I had a (well, still have) a Stumpjumper FSR '04 and I like it very much. But I went to the Moto Lite and I think it is a still better bike. I like the higher BB, that I can select the travel (right now I'm running it at 4"), and it is pretty solid.

I think the downside for the '05 model was the rear tire size, but it's fixed for the '06 (it has a different seatstay that should take wider tires).

I really don't see anything on the bike that would make it less durable than the Stumpjumper. The materials looks pretty solid, and the welds are pretty well made.

I think that the Moto Lite is a real bargain for the price and the quality, since I think it can compete with more expensive bikes in rideability and quality.
 

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Bulldozer27 said:
I was set on an '06 Stumpjumper FSR until I read the MBA bike test. While I still need to ride one to know for sure, this article made me very interested in a Moto Lite. My question to Titus aficionados is this: why is the ML, at $1395 retail, several hundred dollars cheaper than equivalent 5"-travel bikes, such as the Intense 5.5 or Turner 5-Spot?

Is the price a function of where it's manufactured, or the materials used, or something else? Overseas production would be totally irrelevant to me as I've been perfectly happy with the quality of Specialized bikes over the years. But if there is something else that could affect long-term durability, I'd really like to know. Please don't flame me as I'm not some troll looking to stir the pot. I just want to find out as much as I can before making any decision regarding my next bike.
As far as we know, the lower price is due to the outsourcing of the welding to Kinesis (in Portland until recently and now in Taiwan). As far as durability, I've owned one since mid January 05 and it's just fine. It's a great bike. The triangles are very stiff with no play which makes for a really nice ride.

Bear in mind that MBA seems to have tested the bike with a shorter fork than most people use. The ML is really designed to work with a fork like a Talas or Revelation. In 5x5 mode, the HA is about 69 degrees which is really nice when going down the technical stuff. Going up the hill, dial down the fork travel and the bike becomes an awesome climber.
 

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Bulldozer27 said:
I was set on an '06 Stumpjumper FSR until I read the MBA bike test. While I still need to ride one to know for sure, this article made me very interested in a Moto Lite. My question to Titus aficionados is this: why is the ML, at $1395 retail, several hundred dollars cheaper than equivalent 5"-travel bikes, such as the Intense 5.5 or Turner 5-Spot?

Is the price a function of where it's manufactured, or the materials used, or something else? Overseas production would be totally irrelevant to me as I've been perfectly happy with the quality of Specialized bikes over the years. But if there is something else that could affect long-term durability, I'd really like to know. Please don't flame me as I'm not some troll looking to stir the pot. I just want to find out as much as I can before making any decision regarding my next bike.
As someone above mentioned... outsourcing is the key for the low price of the ML. It comes from the same factory in Taiwan that fabricates the Santa Cruz's... and I can't see of anybody complaining about their SC's.

The ML as rzozaya correctly stated it's maybe the best value today on the market. It's craftmanship is superb, the geometry is just right, the whole bike has a quality feel and look all the way around and the bugs are worked out.

Some people wants their bike made in the US and are willing to pay the premium. That's nice because it creates a niche where some manufacturers play at like Turner, Ventana, Titus itself, Intense and others. Without that niche you would see more bargains like the ML but at the cost of the probable loss of some USA jobs.

For people outside the US it has no relevance and we can buy bikes made wherever without a hint of remorse... as long as there would not be a "Titus" bike quality in your country (We don't have decent bike makers in Mexico)
 

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Thank Titus for making such a superb bike available to us at a reasonable price :) .
It is really nice to see some positive remarks and thoughts for a change.
 
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