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Knobs are starting to come off of my cinder tires. Only lost one but usually means more to follow. Had that problem with other tires but not after only 5 or 6 weeks of use. Has anybody else experienced that????? Using it for mountain trail riding rocky terrain. They grip like a goat in the mountain but if they won’t last may need some replacement suggestions????? Lately used Continental gravity & verticals last MB. They are probably heavier and doubt if they grip like the cinders, two things I don’t want in tires. MKIII Expert is an awesome awesome bike, literally taking it to the next level!
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Turns out the continentals are lighter by 130 grams each than the cinders / checking the tread of the cinders after 5-6 weeks noticeble tread wear explaining the traction of these tires but like most tires you get with a new MB they are grippy but don't last. For now going to swap out to the continentals and hope they grip as well but would still be interested in your tire suggestions for the future. Happy trails!
 

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bronc...My 06 expert came with the Cinders and they only lasted 2 rides before i chose to replace them with 2.1 FireXC Pro's. The Cinders were heavy and didn't have the same cornering grip as the XC Pro's. If you're not doing big hits or DH, the Pro's may be OK...and they often go on sale for under $25...
I haven't used Conti's so I can't say XCPro's are better...but I've riden on Larsen's, Hi Rollers, Pythons, Velociraptors, Mythos and I like the XCPro's best for Arizona desert conditions.
 

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bronc...My 06 expert came with the Cinders and they only lasted 2 rides before i chose to replace them with 2.1 FireXC Pro's. The Cinders were heavy and didn't have the same cornering grip as the XC Pro's. If you're not doing big hits or DH, the Pro's may be OK...and they often go on sale for under $25...
I haven't used Conti's so I can't say XCPro's are better...but I've riden on Larsen's, Hi Rollers, Pythons, Velociraptors, Mythos and I like the XCPro's best for Arizona desert conditions.
I didn't notice any grip difference with the continentals over the cinders. My son and I do mostly mountain trail riding w/ moderate DH at the upper trails of Squaw Peak not the trail 100 though but that is a good way to get to them. So I like a little wider tire, the continentals are 2.35. Think I saw your review for the MKIII expert. Had mine about 6 weeks. Are you riding South Mountain trails? Live in the PV area but want to check S.MT out when I get the time. If you know any good loops let me know. Happy trails!
 

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Bronc...
I've found the XC Pro 2.1's to be OK for running all of the valley trails - SoMo, Dreamy Draw, Papago. I know that I give away some cushion by running the 2.1's rather than a larger tires...but by keeping them in the 35-40 psi range and letting the plush suspension of the MKIII do it's thing, I get good cornering and easier pedalling...
There are lot's of great trails at SoMo. Check outsome of the mtbr trail reviews...most of the loops originate from the Pima Canyon trail head just off Guadalupe Rd and 48th Street.
 

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Knobs are starting to come off of my cinder tires. Only lost one but usually means more to follow. Had that problem with other tires but not after only 5 or 6 weeks of use. Has anybody else experienced that????? Using it for mountain trail riding rocky terrain.
I've been using Panaracer Cinders for almost two years now and I really like them. I too ride on rocky terrain and I like the big side knobs of the Cinders specifically because they don't easily break off.

Do the other knobs on your Cinders look like they're about to break off? In the past, when I've had this problem with other tires, some knobs would break off and the others would have unhealthy looking cuts and rips. I'm wondering if you have a defective tire and / or you ran over an especially sharp rock?
 

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I've been using Panaracer Cinders for almost two years now and I really like them. I too ride on rocky terrain and I like the big side knobs of the Cinders specifically because they don't easily break off.

Do the other knobs on your Cinders look like they're about to break off? In the past, when I've had this problem with other tires, some knobs would break off and the others would have unhealthy looking cuts and rips. I'm wondering if you have a defective tire and / or you ran over an especially sharp rock?
They are jagged for the most part. Performance had the Cinders on sale last week for $15.99 you might check it out online. Really liked there grip but just not suited for my area I guess.
 

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harky said:
Bronc...
I've found the XC Pro 2.1's to be OK for running all of the valley trails - SoMo, Dreamy Draw, Papago. I know that I give away some cushion by running the 2.1's rather than a larger tires...but by keeping them in the 35-40 psi range and letting the plush suspension of the MKIII do it's thing, I get good cornering and easier pedalling...
There are lot's of great trails at SoMo. Check outsome of the mtbr trail reviews...most of the loops originate from the Pima Canyon trail head just off Guadalupe Rd and 48th Street.
The 2.1 are nice and light ran them for years. Going to have to check out Pima Canyon trail / didn't realize there was access at Guadalupe. McDowell mountain is on the agenda too, rode the west side several time but have heard some riders think it's better than S/MT on the east side in the park. Lots of XC trails. I did the survey for the road construction leading to the park and in the park itself, Awesome Sonora desert terrain, sounds like something you would like judging by the other areas you ride. Lots of rattlers there to add to the fun.
 

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Hey guys, anyone ever use a Cinder (rear) and XC Pro (front) combo? I'd been using this since I ripped a couple rear sidewalls when running XC Pro front/rear. I really liked this until I ripped the front XC Pro sidewall, so I switched to all Cinders. Is it in my head, or am I really riding slower now with the Cinders? Thoughts?
 

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<<McDowell mountain is on the agenda too, rode the west side several time but have heard some riders think it's better than S/MT on the east side in the park. Lots of XC trails. I did the survey for the road construction leading to the park and in the park itself, Awesome Sonora desert terrain, sounds like something you would like judging by the other areas you ride. Lots of rattlers there to add to the fun.>>

I've ridden Pima/Dynamite area...this is west side I take it....
Never ridden the east side you describe. how do you get there?
 

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<<McDowell mountain is on the agenda too, rode the west side several time but have heard some riders think it's better than S/MT on the east side in the park. Lots of XC trails. I did the survey for the road construction leading to the park and in the park itself, Awesome Sonora desert terrain, sounds like something you would like judging by the other areas you ride. Lots of rattlers there to add to the fun.>>

I've ridden Pima/Dynamite area...this is west side I take it....
Never ridden the east side you describe. how do you get there?
Yah that's not bad keep going and you end up at the Bartlett Lake Road.
To get to the park you can go up Shea Blvd and then cut through Fountain Hills or take Pinnacle Peak Rd. to Rio Verde then turn west right past Rio Verde (right before the Indian reservation) on the paved county road it will take you to the park. Can't give exact directions through Fountain Hills though cause I don't know all the road names but if you continue on the county road on your way back it will lead you back out through Fountain Hills.
 

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I've been testing some of the new Hutchinson Barracuda's and I think they are my new favorite trail riding tire. I run a 2.3 MRC Med on the front and 2.1 Airlight on the back...rolls super fast while offering heaps of grip/traction.

never though I would find a better tire than the High Roller for the front. I find the Barracuda to hook up as good, if not better, than the HR, but also rolls much faster due to the high center knobs and faster rebound rubber.
 

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Acadian said:
I've been testing some of the new Hutchinson Barracuda's and I think they are my new favorite trail riding tire. I run a 2.3 MRC Med on the front and 2.1 Airlight on the back...rolls super fast while offering heaps of grip/traction.

never though I would find a better tire than the High Roller for the front. I find the Barracuda to hook up as good, if not better, than the HR, but also rolls much faster due to the high center knobs and faster rebound rubber.
I ran the Hutch Airlights on my HP...the Gen I, then Gen II UST. Scary...little knobs mean little cornering grip, I think. Maybe good on hardpack but sucked on the desert trails. I washed out twice at high speed (ouch). Switched to Panaracer XC Pro's (UST). Liked em.
 

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harky said:
I ran the Hutch Airlights on my HP...the Gen I, then Gen II UST. Scary...little knobs mean little cornering grip, I think. Maybe good on hardpack but sucked on the desert trails. I washed out twice at high speed (ouch). Switched to Panaracer XC Pro's (UST). Liked em.
which Hutch did you try? you probably ran a Python or mosquito but it definitely wasn't the Barracuda since it has massive knobs (and a new tire for this year)
 

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You're right...it was the Pythons that I crashed on...
Those Barracudas look nice...and 550gr is light for UST!
How are they holding up?? Have you gotten them for any less than the $45 that I see online??
 

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You're right...it was the Pythons that I crashed on...
Those Barracudas look nice...and 550gr is light for UST!
How are they holding up?? Have you gotten them for any less than the $45 that I see online??
I have about 60+ miles on them, not much but they seem to be holding up pretty good! I've had maxxis tires look pretty worn out after that many miles.

as for the price - no clue. I got mine as test samples.
 

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Panaracer Cinders - revised

I recently mentioned I had changed from the XC Pro to the CInders in the front and stated I felt rolling resistance ... must have had a bad day ... I have ridden the CInder combo a few more times and absolutely love them ... these things hook up to almost anything ... I'm clearing things much more easy than before ... I feel so much more confident cornering at speed now ... rolling resistance is barely noticeable ... the back tire (I have used this for a couple months) is wearing down a little, but no broken knobs ... plus, I just ordered some off the Performance Bike website for $15.99 per tire ... can't beat that! Anyways, just my 0.02 ...
 
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