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I just got a call from Mellisa who lives up the hill about a meeting that people are having tonight where some one named Julie Martin is planning/proposing to close all the trails that we love so much.

John Tonnesen from JT Cyles contacted Mellisa and she contacted me so we can get the word out. JT believes that if we have a good showing that we can do something to keep these trails from being closed.

The meeting is at 7pm at the Stanislaus National Forest Supervisors Office on Greenly Rd. I don't know the exact address just yet but I'll be looking it up.

I just wanted to get the word out...... I think we need to show up to this.

I will be there?
 

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I have never dealt with forestry people but I understand they have a science backround and should be forced to show quantitative data of how MTBs are impacting ecosystem. And then force them to prove that there is more damage from MTBs than equestrians.
If it's not ecosystem damage and the isue is to do with sharing the trails then you could sugest education as an alternative and mention that multi use trails work verry well in Annadel State Park.
 

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Good luck, Trogs et al

I can't imagine that Pinecrest trails could be closed without some reasonable procedure. Otherwise it's like declaring marshall law. The first thing to do would be to try and figure out what the process is and what they expect to do in this meeting.

See what you can find out about their motivations, as much as you can, and form your responses in advance. Arguments against the standard objections of Mt. biking are fairly few and fairly easy to confront, the key is to be reasonable and concise.

Good luck pulling a cadre of attendees. That in itself will have a great deal of influence. We,re thinking about you.
 

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Probably too late help tonight but one thing that really helps us deal with the FS up here in Washington is offering to do some trail work. You think this happens but I'll bet if you ask the Stani FW people if organizations ask to volunteer you will find out that not too many do. And I do mean organizations, so get moving you Trogs and start slinging some dirt with 'em.
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Good Representation At Meeting

It turns out the meeting was not about closing Pinecrest.

The Forest Service has been doing some special studies in the area, actually several miles from Pinecrest, and discovered mountain bike trails dangerously close to some areas of sensitive resources.

The Forest Service says they want to build a trusting relationship with mtb riders in developing area's the trail system.

Their first request was we disclose all the trails in a certain area that we would like to keep open. FS would then give us feed back and suggestions of reroutes or even ways to build better loops or connecting trails.This particular area is more popular with the horse crowd.

I think it will make a great test area mtb riders and the FS to develop a working relationship before they move their studies to the Pinecrest area where all the really good trails are.

What was most surprising about the meeting was the trail that drew the Forest Service attention has been a very popular trail for a number of years and all of a sudden their reseachers discovered it only recently. We offered that trail up as a test project working together to reroute. They were receptive and the process will begin when the snow melts.

The FS assured us no trails would be closed until the reoutes were complete. Sounds fair. Can we trust them? Time will tell.

As I said earlier, the area they are currently concerned with is primarily horse area. I say we work with them and see where it leads.
 

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fred-da-trog said:
It turns out the meeting was not about closing Pinecrest.

The Forest Service has been doing some special studies in the area, actually several miles from Pinecrest, and discovered mountain bike trails dangerously close to some areas of sensitive resources.

The Forest Service says they want to build a trusting relationship with mtb riders in developing area's the trail system.

Their first request was we disclose all the trails in a certain area that we would like to keep open. FS would then give us feed back and suggestions of reroutes or even ways to build better loops or connecting trails.This particular area is more popular with the horse crowd.

I think it will make a great test area mtb riders and the FS to develop a working relationship before they move their studies to the Pinecrest area where all the really good trails are.

What was most surprising about the meeting was the trail that drew the Forest Service attention has been a very popular trail for a number of years and all of a sudden their reseachers discovered it only recently. We offered that trail up as a test project working together to reroute. They were receptive and the process will begin when the snow melts.

The FS assured us no trails would be closed until the reoutes were complete. Sounds fair. Can we trust them? Time will tell.

As I said earlier, the area they are currently concerned with is primarily horse area. I say we work with them and see where it leads.
This is good news. Creating a working relationship with them will only lead to better things including access, both to trails and the agency that controls them.
 

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I thinking a good relationship with the FS is a good thing.

Just curious though, which trail are you talking about using as a study? I've biked and hiked the trail from Strawberry down the river for years (since the 1970s when I was a kid and it still had the old railroad ties) and have run into some very grumpy people on horseback… and I've been meaning to try (but haven't yet) the trail that loops around by Aspen Meadow (Ridge trail?) where the horses are… Just curious, is one these trails in question?
 

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As Fred said, we met with Julie Martin and they're not closing trails. Julie even stated that they see that there is a need for a trail system for mountain bikes. Instead meeting was more of a first attempt to start a relationship with mountain bikers.

What was especially good to hear was that the one trail that they know of that goes through an area of 'concern' is to stay open until a reroute can be built with the help of the mountain bike community.

We're concern with the steps after that.

One of Julie Martin's requests is that we list which trails we want to be part of the 'official' trail system so that they can be included in planning. A few/many/most of us are reluctant to show them where the trails are in fear that they'll just be shut down.

Both sides agreed that it may take some time for the mountain bikers to fully trust the forestry service people. It's a start, we'll have to see how this goes.
 

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Dave94024 said:
Just curious, is one these trails in question?
The bottom of Ridge Trail goes through what they called a "Resource" area. A "Resource" area seems to be an area where they're doing a long term study on the vegetation in the area. It also runs close to some spotted owl nesting grounds and they would like to reroute a section of it.

But they said they don't want it closed until a reroute is built.
 

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fred-da-trog said:
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(1)The Forest Service has been doing some special studies in the area, actually several miles from Pinecrest, and discovered mountain bike trails dangerously close to some areas of sensitive resources.

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(2)Their first request was we disclose all the trails in a certain area that we would like to keep open. FS would then give us feed back and suggestions of reroutes or even ways to build better loops or connecting trails.
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(3)What was most surprising about the meeting was the trail that drew the Forest Service attention has been a very popular trail for a number of years and all of a sudden their researchers discovered it only recently.

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(1) From reading the forum reports from other states, such as New Mexico, I've read where modern trails get re-routed away from archeological sites or rare plants or habitat for endangered species. Seems like a better and more practical process than losing access to an area, which only tends to keep out those willing to follow the rules anyway.

(2) Again, from other threads here (Tahoe area, Arizona, Idaho, Wyoming) getting everything on inventory seems to be key. Down the road, if it is not on inventory, a trail may become an area of dispute. Of course, if a trail has problems, disclosing an unknown trail may not save it but instead hasten closure.

(3) Maybe the researchers "discovered" the popular trail because they are new to the area, or because they are looking at it for new reasons.
 
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