I recently got a hard ano ML8 frame as a gift. the shop moved all my parts from my Turner 5spot over to the ML8 including my DUC32. The bike looks and feels awesome. Very solid. Dont worry about the made in Taiwan deal. The build quality looks outstanding and Mav should make no apologies for it. I have not done a serious ride on it yet due to Christmas and weather. My only concern is the fast rebound. I am hoping it feels ok on the trail. Around the neighborhood the rear is extremely fast even at the slowest setting. So fast that it clunks at the end of the rebound as it tops out. Any comments or advise on how to slow it down?
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Heres what I do:JTP said:
Fill rear shock on ML8 to 70psi, and without sitting, cycle the rear shock on the bike. Make sure the rebound dial even works. If there is no difference, you could have a blown rebound, it should not clunk. I had that happen on a blown shock, it is however rare. I have had 3 years of ML7, and own ML8, have owned Turners(now single pivots), Specialized/FSR, Konas/Treks/Ellsworths, C-dales,etc . However, while there is not alot of difference, if there is any, you may end up running the rebound 1 click from slowest but thats normal. it may not seem slow enough but i run mine 1 sometimes 2 clicks from slowest and it works fine on the trail. Its a very active suspension that somehow is bob free, thats what i love about it, and its not subject to much brake jack either.
Call Ethan at Maverick tech and they are very helpful. the shocks are very simple units, but work great. Dont expect the rebound to slow it down like a Fox rebound dial, in my opinion, the Mavierick is designed right for the range it has, the Fox may have over kill, as I have never wanted to run my rebound so slow that it packs down. With M rebound you get a silky smooth travel, adding or removing 80wt oil(redrum) will increase or decrease progressiveness/linearity of the spring rate. the rebound damper assy is factory service only but the oil change and seal change is very easy, the rubber is supple and on the higher end bikes, I like to chnage the seals every other year, beats being 15 miles in the woods and wishing i had been more diligent about preventative maint on a seal that i pump up to 200psi static, i am sure when i land a 3 footer there s much more psi against that rubber, so u gotta repsect the engineering. For more aggresive riding the rear end of the ML8 is fine, but this is not a jump bike and shouldnt be used as such. I also change my oil annually, nothing worse than gritty oil to hurt bushings and seals, and maverick makes it easy to do this stuff at home without a full shop. I used a handlebar clamp gently to clamp a stanchion and was able to follow their directions like baking a cake. No wonder I have spent $9K on their bikes, and i'd buy another one!
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Sorry to hear about your 5 Spot - Naked is just wrong.
Blown shock from the factory? I guess that could be the cause of the clunk, Did you remove all the air? Then try a duplicate the problem?
I would not worry about the rebound to much right now, I would be more concerned that you have the correct spring for your weight. What size frame do you have?
Your legs act as a damper on a Mono-Link, it's a love it hate it kind of thing. It's to bad you had to strip your 5 Spot. The best way to learn to love a Mono-Link (I think anyway) is to go out a ride the 5 Spot on your favorite trail, maybe a half hour ride, and then go ride the ML8 on the same trail. Learn to love where the Mono-Link shines, climbing, bombing, hole shooting, rock garden grinding. The area where the Mono-Link falls short is in the whoops, for me anyway, and this could be attributed to the fast damping that the rear shock has. You have to be attacking the whoops, fall asleep and the fast rebound can wake you up.
Full disclosure, I own a ML7 so take my comments with a grain of salt. Did I already call you a Lucky [email protected], don't mind me I'am just bitter, that coal thing.
Gifts - All I got was a lump of coal, I must be hanging around the wrong people.JTP said:
Sorry to hear about your 5 Spot - Naked is just wrong.
Blown shock from the factory? I guess that could be the cause of the clunk, Did you remove all the air? Then try a duplicate the problem?
I would not worry about the rebound to much right now, I would be more concerned that you have the correct spring for your weight. What size frame do you have?
Your legs act as a damper on a Mono-Link, it's a love it hate it kind of thing. It's to bad you had to strip your 5 Spot. The best way to learn to love a Mono-Link (I think anyway) is to go out a ride the 5 Spot on your favorite trail, maybe a half hour ride, and then go ride the ML8 on the same trail. Learn to love where the Mono-Link shines, climbing, bombing, hole shooting, rock garden grinding. The area where the Mono-Link falls short is in the whoops, for me anyway, and this could be attributed to the fast damping that the rear shock has. You have to be attacking the whoops, fall asleep and the fast rebound can wake you up.
Full disclosure, I own a ML7 so take my comments with a grain of salt. Did I already call you a Lucky [email protected], don't mind me I'am just bitter, that coal thing.
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ML8 is a medium. I am 5' 10", 175#. I know there is a coil in the rear shock, but isnt the spring rate adjusted with air pressure? I have 160 psi in the rear, 90psi in the DUC 32. Removing the air and the airing back up does not do anything. At 70 psi is is still fast. I am starting to think that there is nothing wrong with it. Just like the DUC 32 it is probably fast rebounding. I am sure there are some tuning tricks I can get from Mav.
I will build up the 5spot soon. I love that bike.Crash_Burn said:
ML8 is a medium. I am 5' 10", 175#. I know there is a coil in the rear shock, but isnt the spring rate adjusted with air pressure? I have 160 psi in the rear, 90psi in the DUC 32. Removing the air and the airing back up does not do anything. At 70 psi is is still fast. I am starting to think that there is nothing wrong with it. Just like the DUC 32 it is probably fast rebounding. I am sure there are some tuning tricks I can get from Mav.
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Thanks for the pics!
I've got the heavy spring in my XL ML7 rear shock. I'am about 200lbs with all my gear.
I switched out the stock (medium) spring with my first oil change (Maverick serviced).
I run 17-25psi 15-25% sag depending on the trail conditions. This is kind of a low air pressure to run, probably not average.
Try this on your bike - lower your air pressure to get 30% sag (kind of extreme) ride it a bit at full slow on the rebound then full fast see if you notice a difference. See if you like one setting over the other. Then 20%, then 10%. Experiment so that you learn the the way the bike works at the different settings. Once you do this you will have some meaningful info to pass along to the servicing technician for the rear shock and he/she will have a better understanding on how to help you.
There maybe a quicker way to get you dialed in - this is how I do things. I've got a chart listing air pressures and sag settings, kind of nerdy.
Not sure on the clunking issue maybe some of Maverick guys on this board can help you out - they check in every so often. I would'nt worry to much if your the original owner, Maverick turns around there warrantees pretty fast.
I would be more concerned if the clunking is coming from a loose bolt.
Thanks for your pics! It's nice to see the details going into the manufacturing of the frame, very nice!
The air pressure is to set your sag.JTP said:
I've got the heavy spring in my XL ML7 rear shock. I'am about 200lbs with all my gear.
I switched out the stock (medium) spring with my first oil change (Maverick serviced).
I run 17-25psi 15-25% sag depending on the trail conditions. This is kind of a low air pressure to run, probably not average.
Try this on your bike - lower your air pressure to get 30% sag (kind of extreme) ride it a bit at full slow on the rebound then full fast see if you notice a difference. See if you like one setting over the other. Then 20%, then 10%. Experiment so that you learn the the way the bike works at the different settings. Once you do this you will have some meaningful info to pass along to the servicing technician for the rear shock and he/she will have a better understanding on how to help you.
There maybe a quicker way to get you dialed in - this is how I do things. I've got a chart listing air pressures and sag settings, kind of nerdy.
Not sure on the clunking issue maybe some of Maverick guys on this board can help you out - they check in every so often. I would'nt worry to much if your the original owner, Maverick turns around there warrantees pretty fast.
I would be more concerned if the clunking is coming from a loose bolt.
Thanks for your pics! It's nice to see the details going into the manufacturing of the frame, very nice!
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Jeff
Answered your PM, but also wanted to mention the fact that unlike most other suspension designs, you are going to ride more in the middle of the travel with the ML8. It definitely is a faster rebounding suspension design.
I'm no expert as Matt does all the real wrenching on my bike. Call him at 303 228 9799 or email at [email protected]. www.alphabicycle.com
Don't hesitate to call Ethan at Maverick either, he's great about helping people dial in their bike. He's hammering out some serious Super D on his and he's wrenching on Ariel and Abby's bikes....so there's no doubt you can make it feel exactly like you want. www.maverickamerican.com
Jeff
Answered your PM, but also wanted to mention the fact that unlike most other suspension designs, you are going to ride more in the middle of the travel with the ML8. It definitely is a faster rebounding suspension design.
I'm no expert as Matt does all the real wrenching on my bike. Call him at 303 228 9799 or email at [email protected]. www.alphabicycle.com
Don't hesitate to call Ethan at Maverick either, he's great about helping people dial in their bike. He's hammering out some serious Super D on his and he's wrenching on Ariel and Abby's bikes....so there's no doubt you can make it feel exactly like you want. www.maverickamerican.com
Maverick= great customer service
I emailed Ethan about my problem. He responded that the damper did not seem right, asked about me and my riding style, and said he would build me a custom damper and send it out asap. How's that for service!PattD said:
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Got an email from Eathan @ Maverick telling me my damper did not seem right. Asked about my dimensions and riding style and offered to send me a new custom damper. This was on Tuesday. I received it by 2nd day mail on Thursday. Enclosed, Ethan included a hand written memo giving info on how the shock was set up and installation tips. Installation was easy (except for one minor oil spill
). The rebound can now be adjusted from nice and slow to pretty fast. The rear end of the bike feels great. Needless to say I am jazzed by the personal service!
Got an email from Eathan @ Maverick telling me my damper did not seem right. Asked about my dimensions and riding style and offered to send me a new custom damper. This was on Tuesday. I received it by 2nd day mail on Thursday. Enclosed, Ethan included a hand written memo giving info on how the shock was set up and installation tips. Installation was easy (except for one minor oil spill
). The rebound can now be adjusted from nice and slow to pretty fast. The rear end of the bike feels great. Needless to say I am jazzed by the personal service!
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Speedball posts are out
A nice way to make your 8 go one louder.
Here's a speedball post on my ML-8, "Portsea".
A nice way to make your 8 go one louder.
Here's a speedball post on my ML-8, "Portsea".
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I will let you know what I think of the 8 as soon as I give it a proper ride.
I am going to spend tomorrow evening building my 5spot back up. I hope for at least 2 lbs lighter than the 8 by running lighter wheels, RP3, and Talas. The Spot should be pretty snappy and capable in the rough. ML8 weights 28.75 lbs which is perfect for what I want to do with it.
I'll have two butting kicking rides.
Jeff.
My good friend and the owner of Yorktown Cycles, Tommy Walsh, has 3 on order. I am definelty putting one on my 8. Thanks for mentioning it.Count Zero said:
I will let you know what I think of the 8 as soon as I give it a proper ride.
I am going to spend tomorrow evening building my 5spot back up. I hope for at least 2 lbs lighter than the 8 by running lighter wheels, RP3, and Talas. The Spot should be pretty snappy and capable in the rough. ML8 weights 28.75 lbs which is perfect for what I want to do with it.
I'll have two butting kicking rides.
Jeff.
= I am considering 5Spot to ML8 swap ... =
Hey folks, I love my 5 Spot but have recently ridden a loaner ML8 on some of my favourite local trails. I just loved the ML8, and cannot believe that I thinking of selling the Spot frame to fund a Maverick purchase.
Would love to hear folks longer term level of satisfaction with ML8? also, did anyone choose ML8 over Nomad? I feel I should at least test Nomad before commiting. Climbing felt more effortless, all rocky sections seemed smoother, and it was altogether more comfortable (spot the 40 something rider).
What are your thoughs, good an bad?
ibod
Hey folks, I love my 5 Spot but have recently ridden a loaner ML8 on some of my favourite local trails. I just loved the ML8, and cannot believe that I thinking of selling the Spot frame to fund a Maverick purchase.
Would love to hear folks longer term level of satisfaction with ML8? also, did anyone choose ML8 over Nomad? I feel I should at least test Nomad before commiting. Climbing felt more effortless, all rocky sections seemed smoother, and it was altogether more comfortable (spot the 40 something rider).
What are your thoughs, good an bad?
ibod
sorry I cant help
Dislocated my shoulder. Only had two rides on the ML8 before the injury. I am out for at least another month doing some physical therapy to loosen things up.
So I have this brand new beautiful Mav ML8 hanging from the ceiling in my garage. All I can do is stand there staring at it like an idiot.
Dislocated my shoulder. Only had two rides on the ML8 before the injury. I am out for at least another month doing some physical therapy to loosen things up.
So I have this brand new beautiful Mav ML8 hanging from the ceiling in my garage. All I can do is stand there staring at it like an idiot.
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