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MTBSully said:
looks nice. what adjustablity? is there a Ti spring option?
rebound air pressure and high speed compression

I would ride one if it had low speed compression damping adjust for the ride up the mountain.

These things will be for DH riding only IMO. No All Mountain riding or anything like that is you want to tune out pedal bob. For DH, they should be uber plush like ther forks.
 

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Roco First Impressions:

Here's my first impressions (stolen from a post on Ride Monkey):

I just spent the weekend riding with a Roco shock - we received two samples on Friday and the first thing I did was bolt on onto the back end of my V-tach frame!

This is NOT an average shock. I expected it to be like an overbuilt Fox Vanilla RC, but this is definitely not the case. The Roco is pretty much like an 888 for the rear end of your bike. I think someone at Marzocchi mentioned that and it is indeed the case.

The shock is very active - it did take me few minutes to get used to it after riding Platform shocks for the past couple of years. And being active, it's going to bob somewhat as well. I think the suitability of the shock to any particular frame will depend upon the frame design and what kind of riding the owner is doing. I was riding technical North Shore, so nothing super high speed, but lots of low to mid speed tight, technical riding. Unfortunately Whistler is now closed, so I'll have to hunt out some local DH - ish trails and put my moderate DH skills to the test with the Roco :)

Anyway, the shock is active, but extremely well controlled. It doesn't wallow in it's travel like some of the older non-platform shocks did. Thinking back about the rides this past weekend, it is what I would call exceptionally smooth.

The Progressive 5th Elements that we use on the V-tach are tuned with pretty minimal compression damping, since the frame is quite neutral to pedalling. So, the 5ths are very supple on the V-tach. It is a very different feel compared to some of the falling rate single pivot applications which over emphasis the compression damping to make those bikes pedalable.

The Roco is even more active. It has a great feel and range of motion throughout it's stroke. I've never ridden an Avalanche shock, but I'm guessing from what people say, that the Roco is something along the same lines.

Bottom out resistance feels really good. I haven't had the chance to really hammer on this apart from a few quick sections of ledgey, baby head creek beds, but so far, it's very plush and hasn't even felt like it's close to reaching the end of it's travel.

In terms of rideability, well, I would almost say that it puts the "fun" back into big bikes. You can boost off of stuff with ease, but still be assured that the back end is going to stick when you land. Your suspension will move a bit while riding skinnies and other low speed technical terrain (the frame's going to wind up a bit - this amount will vary with frame design) but I got used to that pretty quickly again.

So, for riders who mainly shuttle and have access to lift serviced riding, this is going to be a very, very cool shock. If, however, you're one that likes to pedal your big bike up to your trails, you may be better served by a platform damped shock (especially if you can't get full seat extension on your frame or don't pedal particularly round :) That being said, it doesn't pedal that badly at all, especially if you're somewhat smooth. It's a much better pedalling shock than something like the Vanilla RC was.

It is a DH / FR shock and as such is geared to that kind of riding.

I'll post more once I've spent considerably more time on the product.

Noel Buckley
 

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knollybikes.com said:
The shock is very active - the suitability of the shock to any particular frame will depend upon the frame design and what kind of riding the owner is doing.
i bet the roco will feel awesome on my vpfree, or any other inherantly stable suspension design.
 

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One of my friends thought ROCO meant "Rock Out with your Cock Out..."
Hahaha, how they ride?
i thought that what it was, on the marzocchi interbike video. the guy gettin interviewed by bender(forgot his name) is like well we cant say what ROCO means on the air but yeah. who knowss haha

sounds liek an awesome rear shock or basically a mini 888
 

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Red Bull said:
One of my friends thought ROCO meant "Rock Out with your Cock Out..."
Hahaha, how they ride?
Hey, ya don't need Marz's ok to do a litlle cock out rockin' anyway...

Step1.
Pull cock out.

Step 2.
Turn on TurboNegro = "Get it On" all the way to 11. Commence with a heated 'rocking out' session, run screaming into the street jUSSSSTTT rockin' it.

Step 3.
Repeat 1, 2, as often as possible...

keep on rockin' in teh free world my brothas!
 

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Excellent

Thanks for that first report, Noel. I would have said the same things about it after Austria, had I the ability to articulate that you do, and had the opportunity to really test it. One thing I noticed was how "transparent" it was. Even though I didn't really get a chance to push it or mess with it much, I never really felt it. I absolutely feel my DHX. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But I think it's a good sign when you can forget about a piece of equipment - especially suspension.

I'm planning to get a Roco and an 888 for my Free. That way I get two bikes in one!
 

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finchy said:
noel how do yyou like the racface chain guide???
I've just been using it for a week or so: installation was easy as it's designed to work right out of the box with Diabolus cranks. I'm sure it will work fine with other cranksets as well, but just that the set up with the Diabolus cranks was perfect on the first go.

So far, so good. I'm mean - there's not a lot to say: it's a chain guide, it's pretty quiet, and I haven't dropped the chain yet :) Again, I definitely need to spend more time on it to see how it performs.

Also, it's an aluminum bash guard - I've really liked the makralon plastic guards that E-13 makes as they are pretty much indestructable and never bend. However, like pretty much all chain guards, both the Raceface and the E-13 (and the MRPs) use an aluminum back plate which is subseptable to bending. On my last ride, my buddy badly bent the backplate on his E-13 DRS chainguide - we fixed it after the ride, but it meant no backpedalling during the ride or he'd drop the chain.

John: I hear you on the Roco: transparent for sure. A very different feel from the Fox or Progressive shocks (not that they are by any means bad), but one that is probably going to be very popular with the chair lift / shuttle crowd!

Noel
 

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knollybikes.com said:
Here's my first impressions (stolen from a post on Ride Monkey):

I just spent the weekend riding with a Roco shock - we received two samples on Friday and the first thing I did was bolt on onto the back end of my V-tach frame!

This is NOT an average shock. I expected it to be like an overbuilt Fox Vanilla RC, but this is definitely not the case. The Roco is pretty much like an 888 for the rear end of your bike. I think someone at Marzocchi mentioned that and it is indeed the case.

The shock is very active - it did take me few minutes to get used to it after riding Platform shocks for the past couple of years. And being active, it's going to bob somewhat as well. I think the suitability of the shock to any particular frame will depend upon the frame design and what kind of riding the owner is doing. I was riding technical North Shore, so nothing super high speed, but lots of low to mid speed tight, technical riding. Unfortunately Whistler is now closed, so I'll have to hunt out some local DH - ish trails and put my moderate DH skills to the test with the Roco :)

Anyway, the shock is active, but extremely well controlled. It doesn't wallow in it's travel like some of the older non-platform shocks did. Thinking back about the rides this past weekend, it is what I would call exceptionally smooth.

The Progressive 5th Elements that we use on the V-tach are tuned with pretty minimal compression damping, since the frame is quite neutral to pedalling. So, the 5ths are very supple on the V-tach. It is a very different feel compared to some of the falling rate single pivot applications which over emphasis the compression damping to make those bikes pedalable.

The Roco is even more active. It has a great feel and range of motion throughout it's stroke. I've never ridden an Avalanche shock, but I'm guessing from what people say, that the Roco is something along the same lines.

Bottom out resistance feels really good. I haven't had the chance to really hammer on this apart from a few quick sections of ledgey, baby head creek beds, but so far, it's very plush and hasn't even felt like it's close to reaching the end of it's travel.

In terms of rideability, well, I would almost say that it puts the "fun" back into big bikes. You can boost off of stuff with ease, but still be assured that the back end is going to stick when you land. Your suspension will move a bit while riding skinnies and other low speed technical terrain (the frame's going to wind up a bit - this amount will vary with frame design) but I got used to that pretty quickly again.

So, for riders who mainly shuttle and have access to lift serviced riding, this is going to be a very, very cool shock. If, however, you're one that likes to pedal your big bike up to your trails, you may be better served by a platform damped shock (especially if you can't get full seat extension on your frame or don't pedal particularly round :) That being said, it doesn't pedal that badly at all, especially if you're somewhat smooth. It's a much better pedalling shock than something like the Vanilla RC was.

It is a DH / FR shock and as such is geared to that kind of riding.

I'll post more once I've spent considerably more time on the product.

Noel Buckley
Noel,
I'll gladly help you with some getting more info on the shock... Send me the shock and the bike you have it bolted to and I will put in some more ride time on it... :D Have the bike here at Marz USA waiting for me Dec. 5th. Then I will be back from my honeymoon and be allowed to really ride again.

Brian
 
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