[:solar:]

What's up everyone?

I'm wondering if there's a specific "tune" for the dw link.
Has anyone done this or know about it?

I put a roco wc on the 7point7 about 3 weeks ago.
It feels great- way more supple and active than the 5the- a huge improvement.
Also, I do climb quite a bit on this bike. I have not noticed a detriment to climbing performance without the platform.
In fact, on some mellow singletrack climbs (like the Chantry loop here in Socal) the traction is great and the small bump compliance really allows me to stay smooth and spin up the trail.
And, the infamous 7point shock hardware play is gone. hmmmmmm...

I'm wondering about the dw tune not because of any shortcomings that I'm aware of, but just to get that extra bit of performance out of the setup...

Also, how are you roco folks running your shocks?
I went with the 400# spring from the 5the (i weigh about 210 w/ gear).
about 200 psi in the compensator
about 3 clicks of compression from the full open setting
and 5 clicks of rebound from the full fast setting.

Any thoughts or comments???

 

[in the trees]

I've had the Roco since last spring and I, too, am very happy with it. I don't know my settings off the top of my head, but wherever they are, it just WORKS - climbing, trails, DHs, etc. Matched with an 8" 888RC up front. I weigh a more than you with gear and run a 350# Manitou spring with a few mms of preload. Never experienced any harsh bottomoing out. Go figure. No play at all last season with re-used Progressive hardware from the stock shock. I can just now feel a little movement and plan to replace the bushings ASAP. I feel the shock is a great match for the frame/dw*link.

I think that there may be a thread about a specific Roco tune on this board if I remember correctly.

toby

 

[:solar:]

Yeah, I vaguely recall dw mentioning a roco tune, but I could find it when I searched this morning.
If anyone can point me in that direction, I'd appreciate it.

Toby, how much sag are you running?
I think I'm at about 28%, may up it to 30%

A few more observations about the roco:
I've yet to bash my pedals with thei roco. It doesn't seem to blow through its stroke the way the 5the did. Even with the 7point tune on the 5the and the correct sag I would constantly smack my pedals.
Also, the g-out performance is much more smooth. No harsh bottoming so far...

 

[in the trees]

Toby, how much sag are you running?
I think I'm at about 28%, may up it to 30%

Yes, I originally set it for aroung 30% or so. That may be slightly different now, though. This bike sees a lot of DH ski are runs.

toby

 

[derby]

dw-Link tune for the Roco shocks:

I met Tom Rogers, the design engineer of the Roco, and asked him what a "dw-Link tune" would be.

He said to order the shock new from your dealer with the compression shim removed from the main piston.

The Roco is supposed to be user rebuildable, so you or your local bike shop can do this tune also.

 

[:solar:]

Well, I have no business opening up my roco, but I'm planning on taking my 66 up to Marz soon to reslove a that "plastic-spacer-rubbing-the-spring-issue" so I'll bring the roco along as well.

But I wanted to know if a dw link tune exists and if they (Marz) will know what I'm talking about!
Thanks Derby:thumbsup:

Anybody else???

 

[wyrm]

I talked to Kris at Go-ride and he said that there is no such.... I was curious when I read (Derby "DW") that a few months back. Really I don't think that the shock could get any better the way it is. The DW and the ROCO were definitely made for each other.

 

[derby]

I talked to Kris at Go-ride and he said that there is no such.... I was curious when I read (Derby "DW") that a few months back. Really I don't think that the shock could get any better the way it is. The DW and the ROCO were definitely made for each other.

Maybe Kris knows more about it than the Roco designer himself. (Certainly Ellsworth has often proven that designers can make claims that are far from reality!)

According to Tom Rogers who developed the Roco design, there is no extra cost for the "dw-Link tune" when special ordering a new Roco though your Marzocchi dealer. If the phone jocky in sales at Marzocchi is not aware of the "dw-Link tune" get them ask Tom to explain.

He said that the damping adjusters will still work the same. You can still dial in more low speed compression damping if you want it.

He mentioned the stock tune was developed with Cedric Gracia using a Cannondale Gemini.

So the stock tune is ideal for a higher monopivot.

 

[Marshall Willanholly]

Yeah, I vaguely recall dw mentioning a roco tune, but I could find it when I searched this morning.
If anyone can point me in that direction, I'd appreciate it.

http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?p=2472101&postcount=2

 

[:solar:]

http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?p=2472101&postcount=2

Thank you, that's the one I was thinking of.

 

[:solar:]

I will likely talk to Marzocchi about the "dw tune" when I take my fork to Valencia.

Toby-
I put on my 350# spring for a ride this weekend. With a few turns of preload I was able to set it at about 30% sag.
Feels even smoother.
Only one ride, but no bottom out issues so far...
Thanks for that tip:thumbsup:

I still find it hard to believe that such a low spring rate works at my weight (about 210#)

 

[in the trees]

Awesome! Enjoy! Let us know how it continues to work. I DHed mine all day yesterday (Killington, VT), and I'm continually impressed with the 7point.:thumbsup: And I think the Roco is a great match with the bike.

toby

 

[Yukon]

I'm getting my new ('06) 7point3 this week, and after reading about this, I' ve decided that i definitely want to upgrade to a Roco TST R. I have a few questions (not meaning to hijack, but I don't want to start a new thread
First does this 'tune' pertain to the TST or the WC or both?
second what spring weight should i get for a maybe 15-60 lb rider
third, do the shocks include mounting hardware, or do they come with the bike?

Can't wait for the UPS guy to come, its going to be a long day tomorrow.

 

[manitou2200]

I'm getting my new ('06) 7point3 this week, and after reading about this, I' ve decided that i definitely want to upgrade to a Roco TST R. I have a few questions (not meaning to hijack, but I don't want to start a new thread
First does this 'tune' pertain to the TST or the WC or both?
second what spring weight should i get for a maybe 15-60 lb rider
third, do the shocks include mounting hardware, or do they come with the bike?

Can't wait for the UPS guy to come, its going to be a long day tomorrow.

Yukon,
I bought my Roco TSTR direct from Marzocchi (I am in the industry and get direct pro deals) and I told Bryan the CS manager that I was putting it on an 06 IH 7point3. I am not sure if there was any shim removed but it is like butter, I mostly ride it in full open position but sometimes use the middle setting on rolling up single track and in the CL mode when I have an extended climb. You need to order the T&B bushing for mounting and based on 150-160 lbs. You will need a 300-350 lb. spring. I run a 250 lb. Ti spring on my 7point and I weight 140 lbs. I just so happen to have a 325 lb. Ti spring that I just bought today and I would be happy to sell it to you for $100 plus shipping. You can PM me for details if you are interested.
Cheers

 

[_dw]

I don't know if Marzocchi has a production tune that they sell to people but I did ride a custom tuned ROCO for a few weeks (super light compression tuned by Tom Rogers) on my Sunday last year and it was awesome. The stock valved ROCO was too slow on the Sunday. I have not ridden one on the 7POINT.

Dave

 

[Yukon]

Alright, I am going to get a TST R, but I think the first item on my upgrade list is to get a 66 ETA to replace the stock drop off 3, mine squishes really loudly.

Does anyone know off hand the size mounting hardware you need for the '06?

Thanks for your help.

 

[in the trees]

Does anyone know off hand the size mounting hardware you need for the '06?

7points require 8x30mm hardware, I believe. It's posted (on a chart) on this forum somewhere but I can't find it.

toby

 

[manitou2200]

I don't know if Marzocchi has a production tune that they sell to people but I did ride a custom tuned ROCO for a few weeks (super light compression tuned by Tom Rogers) on my Sunday last year and it was awesome. The stock valved ROCO was too slow on the Sunday. I have not ridden one on the 7POINT.

Dave

Dave,

When I spoke with Brian Peterson the sales manager at Marzocchi before I ordered my TST R and he told me that in the DH setting which is wide open that there is no compression dampening. I almost can't believe how livley I can make the 7point feel. I am running a 250# Ti spring at 140# w/o gear and I am getting around 35% sag with a little preload. The bike love to get up in the air and I have yet to hit bottom. The only thing that botttoms is my rear tire on the back of the seat if I set the seat too low. I also run a 325# Ti spring once in a while but mostly use the 250#. It's a sweet set up with the Totem Solo Air as I can adjust the fork air to balalnce the bike with either spring. This shock is awsome and I can almost get a lock out front and rear on long climbs.

Allan

 

[manitou2200]

7points require 8x30mm hardware, I believe. It's posted (on a chart) on this forum somewhere but I can't find it.

toby

Attached is the doc with hardware and spring rates

Allan

 

[wormvine]

I believe 07' hardware is different than 05-06' hardware.