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Remember all the pre-release hype from Manitou about how their new forks will be under 3 pounds, 2.9, etc.? Sounded good, their forks keep getting porkier every single year - last years Skareb Platinum was heading towards 3.5 pounds...well, checked the Manitou website today, and now it says 3.2 or 3.3 pounds (80mm or 100mm)...right back where they started with last years models...same damn thing. So what is the big deal with the "new" platform R-7? Seems like they saved zero weight. Is the Aeris Spinner the only option for a 3 pound fork? I have a SID, light, but doesn't hold air as well as my old Manitou's seem to. Whatupwitdat?
 

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I guess it just boils down to quality control. I don't doubt their prototypes being that light, however, when you mass produce things, and especially, when you want to make a good profit, you can't be discarding elements that are a few grams heavier than spec, say. Add those few grams here, few there, and you arrive at a quarter pound heavier final product. Maybe, also, they found some issues in the prototypes between the initial hype and the production, so they beefied up some elements.

As to what's great about the R7 over the older models? It is stiffer and better damped.

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In Manitou's defense, they managed to increase the stiffness of the old Skareb using 30mm sanctions while keeping weight the same or less. Thats not a bad thing IMO.

I can't think of a lighter 30mm XC fork on the top of my head. Isn't the Marzocchi Marathon Race heavier this year?
 

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curtlo-dork said:
Remember all the pre-release hype from Manitou about how their new forks will be under 3 pounds, 2.9, etc.? Sounded good, their forks keep getting porkier every single year - last years Skareb Platinum was heading towards 3.5 pounds...well, checked the Manitou website today, and now it says 3.2 or 3.3 pounds (80mm or 100mm)...right back where they started with last years models...same damn thing. So what is the big deal with the "new" platform R-7? Seems like they saved zero weight. Is the Aeris Spinner the only option for a 3 pound fork? I have a SID, light, but doesn't hold air as well as my old Manitou's seem to. Whatupwitdat?
They forgot to factor in the weight of the oil's..... again. :p :D

As ponted out already they've simply upped the stanchion tube diameter's. The R7's are replacing the Skareb's, which said by many were flexy - the R7's will be nearly, if not completely, as stiff as the '04/05 Minute's. IMHO, that's a step in the right direction. It's called reliability and reduced flex - for the same weight, it's a good thing.

Now quick - go buy one! :D
 

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curtlo-dork said:
Remember all the pre-release hype from Manitou about how their new forks will be under 3 pounds, 2.9, etc.? Sounded good, their forks keep getting porkier every single year - last years Skareb Platinum was heading towards 3.5 pounds...well, checked the Manitou website today, and now it says 3.2 or 3.3 pounds (80mm or 100mm)...right back where they started with last years models...same damn thing. So what is the big deal with the "new" platform R-7? Seems like they saved zero weight. Is the Aeris Spinner the only option for a 3 pound fork? I have a SID, light, but doesn't hold air as well as my old Manitou's seem to. Whatupwitdat?
A sub 3lb fork has never been anything but a bad idea.
 

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Not so much QC, I would think, as the product tolerances form maximum material condition to minimum material condition would have to be quite huge to make up for 200 or more grams. I would think the compromises are made to cut costs and keep the product within thier target retail price by sacrificing more expenisve parts that are lighter for cheaper heavier parts.

The other consierations, knowing this first hand, is that often the media/sales dept. when the first hear a designer say they may have a chance at getting down to 2.9lbs (before testing is done) they run with it, publish all the adds, etc. and then parts always end of needing to be strengthened because some prototype broke or the found that some aspects of the design aren't practical. Like I said, I know that first hand.

Don't blame the design or the engineers, blame their marketting dept for being way too optomistic and not being honest to the company. I know the guy who was in charge of that product cringes everytime he hears them talk about the 2.9lb R7, and I don't blame him.
 

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There are some spaniard weight weenies (check WW forum or light-bikes.com) that have built sub 2lb sids by from what I can tell yanking out all the damping and turning them ito pogo sticks.

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my sid has no apparent damping, just 2 air springs. rides great tho. think it's a 98 model. dunno the weight, still havent made my skale yet.
 

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I live outside Chicago. There are no mountains. There are barely any hills. I can ride lightweight stuff with ease. I have never broke anything, and I've always had the lightest stuff I could find (without going insane)...so to me, a light fork is what I want. I don't need a 4 pound fork to ride smooth trails. Heck, I do most of my "training" on paved bike paths. I have a Mars Super fork, manual lockout. Getting up there in age. So, I had my fork guy get me a 2005 skareb super w/remote lockout...the first Manitou fork I've seen since they moved production to taiwan. I gotta say, it looked like taiwan. It was in another league manufacturing-wise from all my other Manitou forks. I've had every single manitou model since the original gray/silver Manitou fork came out by Answer (never had the doug bradbury made model). That was back in 1992 or so. So, I finally gave Rock Shox a shot. Got a 2005 SID Race w/remote lockout. Love it, and love the remote, it's very well done, but I find myself having to pump up the air every few weeks...never had to with any Manitou...okay, fine, back to manitou...I give the R-7 a try since it is lighter than the skareb I just had, and won't need the remote lockout now that the SPV is new and improved...that's when I noticed the extra weight added. Bummed me out. If my guy can get one, I'm actually going to try the Spinner Aeris...I saw Travis Brown running one end of last season, and a few others...got great review in MBA...for me, the weight, design, simplicity should be a good match. If not, then R-7 it is, extra weight or not.

Sorry for the ramble.
 

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drunkle said:
i wonder if you can upgrade a black with r7 internals...
I don't think so. I believe the internal diameter of stanchions are different. That's one of the factors that makes the R7 lighter.
 
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