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Manitou 3-way on spider.

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wiiija

Discussion Starter · Dec 20, 2005 (Edited)

Hi all,

I've just recently got myself an 05 spider for a very nice price (well nice for the uk anyway).I moved over from a heckler with a 5th air,I am shocked how much better performing the vpp suspension is on this bike,it really has blew me away.

Anyway,onto the subject,it came supplied with the 3way shock,this feels incredibly nice apart from one small problem i'm noticing which is the rebound.
Could 3way owners tell me whether the shock has a night and day difference between fastest rebound and slowest? cos in all honesty I can hardly notice a difference no matter how much rebound I have (it always seems really fast),both while riding or just applying pressure,wondering if I might be wise to send it to tf for a full service and test.

Was originally planning to go for the monoblock and vpp specific pused rp3 but if I can get this sorted I can save myself a fortune.

many thanks

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bellullabob

· #2 · Dec 21, 2005

3 way on tracer...

wiiija said:
Could 3way owners tell me whether the shock has a night and day difference between fastest rebound and slowest? cos in all honesty I can hardly notice a difference no matter how much rebound I have (it always seems really fast),both while riding or just applying pressure,wondering if I might be wise to send it to tf for a full service and test.

Changing the rebound speeds on my 3-way makes a noticeable difference (I prefer it slow!)

Pilot

· #3 · Dec 21, 2005

You should easily be able to see a noticeable difference in rebound rates on that shock, between fully active or fully damped rebound. Just cycle the shock by hand and watch how it rebounds, if you don't see a noticeable difference in the two settings, you have a problem with the shock. Send it in.

I have Swinnger 3-way shocks on both my Spider, and Fisher Sugar.

wiiija

Discussion Starter · #4 · Dec 21, 2005

Thanks guys.

The rebound damping seems shot on this,so it deffinately needs a service.I'm getting more and more tempted to go for the push spider monoblock and pushed rp3 combination,just dont want to pay out all that money and be dissapointed.decisions,decisions

Cheers
Sean

bellullabob

· #5 · Jan 9, 2006

Send an email to Manitou

They have very good customer service and should be able to take care of the problem for you. Email addy for them is listed on their website.

wiiija said:
Thanks guys.

The rebound damping seems shot on this,so it deffinately needs a service.I'm getting more and more tempted to go for the push spider monoblock and pushed rp3 combination,just dont want to pay out all that money and be dissapointed.decisions,decisions

Cheers
Sean

Ronnie

· #6 · Jan 9, 2006

wiiija said:
Hi all,

I've just recently got myself an 05 spider for a very nice price (well nice for the uk anyway).I moved over from a heckler with a 5th air,I am shocked how much better performing the vpp suspension is on this bike,it really has blew me away.

Anyway,onto the subject,it came supplied with the 3way shock,this feels incredibly nice apart from one small problem i'm noticing which is the rebound.
Could 3way owners tell me whether the shock has a night and day difference between fastest rebound and slowest? cos in all honesty I can hardly notice a difference no matter how much rebound I have (it always seems really fast),both while riding or just applying pressure,wondering if I might be wise to send it to tf for a full service and test.

Was originally planning to go for the monoblock and vpp specific pused rp3 but if I can get this sorted I can save myself a fortune.

many thanks

Send your Swinger to TF Tuned Shox as you are in the UK. A friend of mine had his 4-Way swinger done by them recently and he had good things to say. You can also get the Push Mono-Block for the Manitou shock. You should be able to get it from TFT. Be careful though. There is a difference between the Mono-Blocks for the Fox and the Manitou. I'm running a Mono-Block with a 4-Way Swinger on my 5point5 and I felt a big difference when it was fitted.

Ronnie.

Hecubus

· #7 · Jan 9, 2006

Make sure you have at leat 50psi in the IFP chamber. If it goes below that the shock loses all damping.

Ronnie: I think the monoblocks are the same for Fox and Manitou. You only need to specify the shock type because they use different reducers. You want to make sure you get the right bushing/reducer for your shock, otherwise the monoblock is useless.

Ronnie

· #8 · Jan 9, 2006

You probably are right for the Spider Mono-Block. I've never worked on the Spider. When they first tried fitting the Mono on the 5point5 with the 4-Way they found that they had to machine a small amount of metal off to clear the shock. Mind you, come to think of it, I think it was because of the piggy-back on the 4-Way.

Ronnie.

wiiija

Discussion Starter · #9 · Jan 9, 2006 (Edited)

Cheers everybody!

Hecubus,does the spv chamber lose pressure once you remove the pump or is that just the old "its the pump releasing pressure not the shock" thing?

Reason I ask,I put 75psi in there,then remove the pump,put the pump on again and its reading 50.As I usually set it to 50 I'm concerned that it may well be down to 30 after pump removal.

Cheers for your help everyone.

Ronnie

· #10 · Jan 10, 2006

Its possible that you loose pressure when removing the pump but with most good pumps you should not. Here is a real little gem from Reset Racing in Germany which I use on my pump. (Click on Air Port or Air Port 90.) It allows the valve on the shock to close completely before removing the pump and there is never any doubt that your pressure is constant. Your gauge may not be accurate but the pressure is the same every time. You can order it direct and they'll ship it to you.

Ronnie.

Cowboy-jeff

· #11 · Jan 11, 2006

which one

Ronnie said:
Its possible that you loose pressure when removing the pump but with most good pumps you should not. Here is a real little gem from Reset Racing in Germany which I use on my pump. (Click on Air Port or Air Port 90.) It allows the valve on the shock to close completely before removing the pump and there is never any doubt that your pressure is constant. Your gauge may not be accurate but the pressure is the same every time. You can order it direct and they'll ship it to you.

Ronnie.

Ron, which one do you have, the AIR PORT Micro or the AIR PORT 90?

Ronnie

· #12 · Jan 11, 2006

Hi Jeff,
I've actually got both but I use the Air-Port 90. Its new and it goes onto the valve easier.

Ronnie.

Cowboy-jeff

· #13 · Jan 11, 2006

Air-Port 90 it is! (Aus Deutschland mit liebe)

Ronnie said:
Hi Jeff,
I've actually got both but I use the Air-Port 90. Its new and it goes onto the valve easier.

Ronnie.

Hey Ron, thanks. You have all the great toys. Looks like I'll order one of those babies this week. I had enough of the sssssssssssssssss when I take off my air pump.

Ronnie

· #14 · Jan 12, 2006

Cowboy-jeff said:
Hey Ron, thanks. You have all the great toys. Looks like I'll order one of those babies this week. I had enough of the sssssssssssssssss when I take off my air pump.

Well I don't know about that! After all, its you that's got the 6point6.

. By the way it still goes "sssssssssssssssssss" when you take of the pump but it is definitely pressure in the pump as you should have retracted the knob that opens the valve.

Ronnie.

babar

· #15 · Oct 24, 2007

who has the exact lengh of spider rear shox? Is-it a 160mm eye to eye?

doogie

· #16 · Oct 24, 2007

Ronnie said:
Well I don't know about that! After all, its you that's got the 6point6. . By the way it still goes "sssssssssssssssssss" when you take of the pump but it is definitely pressure in the pump as you should have retracted the knob that opens the valve.

Ronnie.

Hi Ronnie, I find when i use my Fox pump on my rp23 which was tuned up by TFT that on removing it i also get the escape of air? I assume then that is not coming from the shock but the pump itself? Cheers

SuperD

· #17 · Oct 24, 2007

babar said:
who has the exact lengh of spider rear shox? Is-it a 160mm eye to eye?

6.5" x 1.5"

Duckman

· #18 · Oct 25, 2007

All your hearing is air escaping from the pump/line itself. The reason that the above poster lost 25psi(from 75)... He HAD 75psi when he removed the pump. Then..when he reattached the pump, the pump is again pressurized(basically in essence, the pump is now part of the shocks air chamber, making it larger in volumn) by the shocks air chamber. The shock air chambers are such low volumnr, that it will lose 25psi when the inside of the pump/hose/gauge is pressurized(so it can give a reading in the first place). Get it?

I too had a 3way. The rebound [email protected] Just stuck a new 08 fox Float R on it. What a difference.

babar

· #19 · Oct 25, 2007

6.5" x 1.5"

Well I have something wrong with my Manitou swinger 3 ways, I am not able to measure the 160mm eye to eye shox lengh and not able to get more than 28 to 32mm of travel while normally it's supposed to be 38mm?
Any advice? I have 210 psi in the main chamber for 90 in spv chamber for a rider weight of 175lbs and a SAG of 25% (9.5mm)...
The main chamber pressure seems high to me??? But this is what I need to put to have the correct sag :madman:

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