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One of the reasons for buying my 05 Burner and 11 5-Spot was the low maintenance of the bushings. Both bikes are still running smooth with only a bit of grease added every 6 months.

Now that "standards" have stabilized a bit I'm looking for a new ride and hoping to get feedback from all you homers who are riding other brands, especially those of you in wetter climates. I'm looking for good and bad, brands that are holding up well (3-4 seasons before having to replace bearings) vs. those that are needing replacement after a season. Designs that make it easy to replace bearings vs. others that may be a PITA or need special tools.

Turners set themselves apart for lazy mechanics such as myself, and I'm hoping that there are other manufacturers who are putting thought into designing for durability and maintainability.
 

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the new ibis are using the similar bushing now for their lower link bearings...fyi
 

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One of the reasons for buying my 05 Burner and 11 5-Spot was the low maintenance of the bushings. Both bikes are still running smooth with only a bit of grease added every 6 months.

Turners set themselves apart for lazy mechanics such as myself, and I'm hoping that there are other manufacturers who are putting thought into designing for durability and maintainability.
Loving my v3 Banshee. Built tough, great suspension.
 

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I have a Phantom which is their Trail bike, but I’ve ridden a Rune, and am hoping to build a Rune, or Titan for bigger days.
They make 5 different bikes (I think it’s 5), with the same basic KS2 suspension in various travel lengths and wheel sizes. My Phantom is fast, fun, and a tank. Reminds me of the old alloy Turners with Horst Link, but with updated Geo, and better energy transfer when pedaling.
 

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I bought a used Banshee Rune V2. Came with high quality F.A.G. bearings. Easy to remove the rear triangle and replace the bearings with a small press. I used all-thread, washers and nuts to press new bearings in. The 7005 series aluminum can be welded if the frame cracks.

Things to look for in bearing longevity. Stiff design to minimize axial loading on bearings and the linkages actually line up correctly. Protection from dirt and water. I imagine there wont be any real difference between brands for protection from dirt and water. Suspension bearings wear out quick because they only move back and forth a small amount crunching through the same dirt and grime.
 

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I would imagine most of the North American made bikes are quite solid. You looking for aluminum or carbon?

Knolly comes to mind- https://www.knollybikes.com/
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OMFG, after all the **** talking for all these years and all these other bandwagon jumping brands switched to ball bearings because they are "superior" and practically drive Turner out of business completely IBIS is using bushings that look identical to what Turner had except lacking a grease port? Are you f'ing kidding me??
 

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OMFG, after all the **** talking for all these years and all these other bandwagon jumping brands switched to ball bearings because they are "superior" and practically drive Turner out of business completely IBIS is using bushings that look identical to what Turner had except lacking a grease port? Are you f'ing kidding me??
Let’s be clear, Turner is out of business because most of the riding public believes all the bullshit they read on Pinkbike, etc, because let’s face it, all of our rides are climbs up non-technical fire road followed by an hour of descending, or better yet, let’s all run out and buy bikes with a mile of wheelbase, 63 degree head angles, and 110mm of travel. That’s why Turner is toast.
 

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Thought the same thing: "Gee, I wonder how that happened all of a sudden" Not surprising it's on a DW bike.
 

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That would be your best bet if you want have a DW link bike with more conservative geometry. Wonder if they'll make an alloy one?

Let’s be clear, Turner is out of business because most of the riding public believes all the bullshit they read on Pinkbike
LOL. I loved Turner as much as anyone but lets not get silly. The brands demise has a lot more to do with their decision to ignore/neglect an incredibly popular section (perhaps the most?) of the market by not releasing a 29" wheeled trail bike since 2012 than it does with media brainwashing.
 

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David R is exactly right! I am convinced David Turner built some of, if not the finest full suspension bikes in the late 90's through the mid 2000's. Notwithstanding, mid 2000's forward his passion and focus fixated on short travel and long travel 27.5 wheeled bikes. He was reticent to see the underlying trend and demand for 130-160mm rear travel 29" wheeled bikes that accommodated a 2.4 to 2.5 rear tires. Rumor has it that his Sultan frame was one of his best selling frames, but he elected to place all of his carbon chips on the RFX and Czar frames? Further he was slow or never mentally adopted slack headtube and steeper seatube design philosophy, which I am one that believes provides for a better climbing and descending experience, except for tight swichtchback singletrack situations. My Turner progression was Burner, 5-Spot and Sultan. When the Sultan's frame material and geometry did not advance with the prevailing marketplace I jumped off and purchased a Spot Mayhem. To me the Spot Mayhem rides very similar to the Sultan, but is stiffer, quieter and more efficient. Rumor has it that Spot is working on updating their geometry which 3 years ago was considered aggressive.

I frequently visit this thread out respect and the great memories Turner mountain bike designs provided to me and my brother. If Dave elected to build a contemporary geometry +/-140mm 29r frame, I believe I would be one of many to get into line to place a deposit.


LOL. I loved Turner as much as anyone but lets not get silly. The brands demise has a lot more to do with their decision to ignore/neglect an incredibly popular section (perhaps the most?) of the market by not releasing a 29" wheeled trail bike since 2012 than it does with media brainwashing.[/QUOTE]
 

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If you want a Turner, you kinda gotta ditch the DW linkers and go with an original style Horst link Turner style bike......it's what put them on the map. I've ridden DW bikes, and they're OK, but don't ride like a Horst link bike. I ended up on a GT Sensor, which is pretty much a pre-DW link Turner 5-spot, but with all the modern geometry numbers - it's awesome, and everything I wished my 5-spot could have been.
 

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My 2008 Sultan is still in the rotation of my stable of MTBs and usually sees action at least once a week. In fact it is currently the only FS bike I own and I've lost count of the others that have come and gone over the years I've had this bike. It originally had the electric blue front triangle with a raw rear end but back around 2012 or 13 I sent it in to Tuner for an overhaul and re-powdercoat. Two years ago I replaced the stock Fox RP23 with the Manitou Mcleod. I had never been very impressed with the Fox RP23 even after having it tuned by Push but until replacing it with the Mcleod I never realized how big of a POS it actually was. That change was literally an "ah ha, where have you been all my life" moment.

To make this post relevant to this thread...I think the pivots/bushings could use another overhaul but unfortunately the kit is no longer listed on Turner's site.

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My 2008 Sultan is still in the rotation of my stable of MTBs and usually sees action at least once a week. In fact it is currently the only FS bike I own and I've lost count of the others that have come and gone over the years I've had this bike. It originally had the electric blue front triangle with a raw rear end but back around 2012 or 13 I sent it in to Tuner for an overhaul and re-powdercoat. Two years ago I replaced the stock Fox RP23 with the Manitou Mcleod. I had never been very impressed with the Fox RP23 even after having it tuned by Push but until replacing it with the Mcleod I never realized how big of a POS it actually was. That change was literally an "ah ha, where have you been all my life" moment.

To make this post relevant to this thread...I think the pivots/bushings could use another overhaul but unfortunately the kit is no longer listed on Turner's site.

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I'm pretty sure you can order the IGUS bushings direct with the specs.

https://www.igus.com/iglide/plain-b...glO9VuPeb3CSFOAY42x52jkIkW2O1hc4aAtScEALw_wcB
 
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