That is pretty much how the Milk Money feels to me.What I want is beyond a bike that feels like a 'hardtail with a low pressure rear tire', the comment made about most softails.
Yeah, good questions.MMcG said:Doesn't the JET 9 fit the bill for what you seek? Or are you not a fan of the mini-link type suspension designs?
The JET9 should have been the slam dunk, but it is not, and I am not the only one who feels that way from what I have read. I had hoped the Pivot would be...not. Frankly the Racer X comes closest in my mind.
Isn't the KHS Flagstaff a 3.5" fully? Or is that frame design too heavy to accomplish what you desire?
I don't know that much about it except for a brief ride at a demo day. Meh!
Are you wishing for a slightly updated and refined version of the old Fisher 293/293 (Sugar-style design) but in a short travel format?
Maybe I am. I think about the old K2 stuff before they went Walmart...the Razorbak or something like that?
What is "affordable" for a frame like this? $1K threshold? Perhaps your critieria makes it financially unfeasible for a bike company to produce such a frame. Is Scandium pricier to spec that 7005 or 6061 AL?
Well, I threw out Scandium as a way to get stiffness and durability, but 6061 works for me. I would not expect that frame at 1K, but under the 1500 mark would be nice.
Just pondering "out loud" to add to your thread a bit.
I could do with less travel then the Lev 3.0 has, or at least, I am willing to compromise depth of travel for a snappier ride. Case in point: I ride with the ProPedal on 90% of the time. Am I getting full travel...maybe, but the reduced suppleness does not bother me at all and I could live with it all the time if that was the requirement to get the rest of the package.Enel said:That is pretty much how the Milk Money feels to me.
What exactly do you want that your 3" Lev does not give you? It seems ideal.
Do you want a frame like that from a major producer at a low price?
Reading some disappointments in weight and flex. Flex will likely get fixed over time and with refinements like the RIP went through. Weight....well, that may be the ceiling getting bumped into. I am not sure.MMcG said:What are you reading about the JET9?
What about something like this but in 2.5 or 3" travel guise and 29er wheels?
I think you've already found your sweet spot, you just can't help letting your eyes wander.mtroy said:I could do with less travel then the Lev 3.0 has, or at least, I am willing to compromise depth of travel for a snappier ride. Case in point: I ride with the ProPedal on 90% of the time. Am I getting full travel...maybe, but the reduced suppleness does not bother me at all and I could live with it all the time if that was the requirement to get the rest of the package.
You may well be right. It may not get better than the 3.0 Lev. Making it lighter would just take money. It has very solid parts and some nice stuff too, but there is room in the brakes and other odds and ends to shave grams.mikesee said:I think you've already found your sweet spot, you just can't help letting your eyes wander.
With PP on, unless you land a drop HARD, you're not likely getting more than ~2.25" of travel. The Lev 3.0 is a VERY rampy design, even when run wide open it's still not often that you get all 3".
Going to something like a Jet or BM adds weight and/or flex and will most likely have a less snappy/racy feel, and the softtails will weigh and cost almost as much (if not more) than what you currently have, with little (or no) on-trail benefit.
Methinks (and yes, it's just my opinion) that you need to lighten your Lev up! 28lbs?!! It is very, very easy to get an XL Lev into the low 26's without throwing stupid amounts of money at it. I'm not talking about stupid light weight weenie disposable or flex-o-matic parts either--I'm talking about stuff that can be ridden day in/day out by adult sized human beings that don't always hit their lines just right.
Keep us posted...
It all depends on who you are and what you ride. I never understood why someone would want a hardtail, then I found myself in a pine forest with a bed of needles over soft dirt. I swear the ground felt like it had two inches of travel. For me (old and fat), 3-4" of travel works well for most of my riding (hard and chunky). If I were throwing myself down rougher terrain, I'd look for more travel.mtroy said:It makes me wonder, "why the rush to bigger travel 29ers", but that is filtered through the lens of my priorities.
bsdc said:It all depends on who you are and what you ride. I never understood why someone would want a hardtail, then I found myself in a pine forest with a bed of needles over soft dirt. I swear the ground felt like it had two inches of travel. For me (old and fat), 3-4" of travel works well for most of my riding (hard and chunky). If I were throwing myself down rougher terrain, I'd look for more travel.
Siren does just under 2" with their softail and is coming out with a new model that's 4" travel with a modified softail design. Blacksheep/Daryl Funk do 4" titanium softails, but they rely heavily on the shock platform by design. From what I've been told about the new Siren design, it should be a very efficient-pedaling design.bsdc said:I feel you. Some options currently availible are the Jet 9 at 3", Milk Money at 3", Silk Ti at 1.75". The Silk Ti seems real nice but it's very costly. Now if Castellano offered a Fango 29er with 1.75" of travel, we might be onto something.
Right now, if I had to replace my Lev, it would be with a RX 29. Some things just get better with age. It is an excellent, proven, simple design.jms said:To me, the RX 29 is the still the once and future king of the XC 29ers. It's suspension remains active while braking, and it does not "squat" into it's travel under pedaling load on a climb. It's a well balanced design with the 4' fork and 3" rear travel arrangement. The damn thing's pivots/bearings are still rock solid and slop free after @ 120 hrs + of racing in the last year and a half. It may not be the best endurance racing platform around, but it's close, and not giving up much to anything that might be better. Specialized sure seems to think so - that "new" FS 29er of theirs really, really, closely resembles a RX 29.
And FWIW - that front end stiffness deficit that the old Reba's are alleged to have, COMPLETELY disappears with a Mikesee built Edge XC/DT190/RWS skewer front wheel attached to the fork. Basically, no fork is going to "shine" when the front wheel has the torsional rigidity of a warm corn tortilla.
I've stated it more than once, sometimes "new" is just new. I'm happy with my "old" 24.5 lb RX 29