I think the 6 point sounds like a major PITA with the funky bb width, wheels, and it's the wrong size for you man. I'm sure it rides OK, but the firebird takes all the standard parts, will ride well, and look rad too.
Looking for comparison FB vs 6point
Anybody on here ridden a 6point and Firebird? I wondering how the 2 bike compare to one another, since they use essentially the same suspension design and where designed for same usage. Would love to hear DW's take, DW you listening, pretty please. =)
Im sold on DW-Link and love alot of features of both bikes, but I can't decide. Here is my list of plus and minus.
FB+:
Newer DW link design
Lighter build overall
Customer Service of Pivot
Comes in XL!!
FB-:
No option for thru axle rear
more expensive (of course I feel like Im paying the extra for peace of mind of support)
6point +:
can run a 8.5x2.5 shock and lower the BB and slack out bike, which would make it a killer trail machine.
Still a DW
rear is thru axle
6point - :
Heavier build, no option for light cranks & wheels given the 83mm BB and 150mm rear
Top tube is short 23" for large frame and largest frame is 19"
Thanks.
Im sold on DW-Link and love alot of features of both bikes, but I can't decide. Here is my list of plus and minus.
FB+:
Newer DW link design
Lighter build overall
Customer Service of Pivot
Comes in XL!!
FB-:
No option for thru axle rear
more expensive (of course I feel like Im paying the extra for peace of mind of support)
6point +:
can run a 8.5x2.5 shock and lower the BB and slack out bike, which would make it a killer trail machine.
Still a DW
rear is thru axle
6point - :
Heavier build, no option for light cranks & wheels given the 83mm BB and 150mm rear
Top tube is short 23" for large frame and largest frame is 19"
Thanks.
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Looks like there are two issues with the 6 point:
1) Sounds like you're worried about the 6 point being too small.
2) AFAIK, 2009 was the last production year for Ironhorse's DW bikes, which means that finding replacement parts could be next to impossible in the near future. My neighbor has a pair of 7 points that he and his wife use and he has to replace pivot and shock hardware on a regular basis.
1) Sounds like you're worried about the 6 point being too small.
2) AFAIK, 2009 was the last production year for Ironhorse's DW bikes, which means that finding replacement parts could be next to impossible in the near future. My neighbor has a pair of 7 points that he and his wife use and he has to replace pivot and shock hardware on a regular basis.
Yeah I agree about the size, being 6'4" a 23" TT is does not sound comfy for epic sessions. Thats my biggest caveat. Thanksgticlay said:I think the 6 point sounds like a major PITA with the funky bb width, wheels, and it's the wrong size for you man. I'm sure it rides OK, but the firebird takes all the standard parts, will ride well, and look rad too.
1) Yeah being 6'4" it think it will be a bit small.coolhandluchs said:Looks like there are two issues with the 6 point:
1) Sounds like you're worried about the 6 point being too small.
2) AFAIK, 2009 was the last production year for Ironhorse's DW bikes, which means that finding replacement parts could be next to impossible in the near future. My neighbor has a pair of 7 points that he and his wife use and he has to replace pivot and shock hardware on a regular basis.
2)the standard hardware - nuts and bolts are no issue, Mc Master Carr can source them, I already checked that. However should something happen to the frame or linkages, not likely but anything is possible, I'd be screwed.
Thanks for the help guys.
Just a suggestion, have you looked at a Giant Reign X? (No flames please I love the FB too.)
Very light frame with nice "AM" geometry - perfect, low bottom bracket - around 13.75" w/160mm fork
73mm bottom bracket shell, and 135 X 12mm thru-axle rear wheel.
The rear Maxle Lite axle is awesome, as easy to use as a quick release, with the security and stiffness of a thru-bolt.
The large frame only has a 24" TT though.
Very light frame with nice "AM" geometry - perfect, low bottom bracket - around 13.75" w/160mm fork
73mm bottom bracket shell, and 135 X 12mm thru-axle rear wheel.
The rear Maxle Lite axle is awesome, as easy to use as a quick release, with the security and stiffness of a thru-bolt.
The large frame only has a 24" TT though.
I had considered the Reign X but hav two big issue with that frame..deoreo said:Just a suggestion, have you looked at a Giant Reign X? (No flames please I love the FB too.)
Very light frame with nice "AM" geometry - perfect, low bottom bracket - around 13.75" w/160mm fork
73mm bottom bracket shell, and 135 X 12mm thru-axle rear wheel.
The rear Maxle Lite axle is awesome, as easy to use as a quick release, with the security and stiffness of a thru-bolt.
The large frame only has a 24" TT though.
1) shock only has 2.25 stroke with means high leverage ration, not good for big guys.
2) I hear bearings are crap, small and wear out fast, on the Reigns.
I do thank you for the suggestion though, much appreciated.
Yeah I wanted a new Reign X as well but it's really made for small people:
too-high a leverage ratio for people over 200lbs
The bearings die quickly and twist/pop out of their seats on occasion...
The tt is short, no XL
tapered HT (yuck!)
the BB chainguide mounts aren't clocked correctly and cause problems with chainguides leading to people using a BB mount guide/tensioner!
I forget the other reasons I didn't buy despite it looking very cool.
too-high a leverage ratio for people over 200lbs
The bearings die quickly and twist/pop out of their seats on occasion...
The tt is short, no XL
tapered HT (yuck!)
the BB chainguide mounts aren't clocked correctly and cause problems with chainguides leading to people using a BB mount guide/tensioner!
I forget the other reasons I didn't buy despite it looking very cool.
I've ridden both, I only did one ride on the 6 point, the suspension worked very well,
probably comparably to the Firebird, but IH is belly up now, so I would do everything possible to avoid them. The pivots ( no pun intended) and bushings may not hold up
more than a year, so when its time to replace them you will be S.O.L.
probably comparably to the Firebird, but IH is belly up now, so I would do everything possible to avoid them. The pivots ( no pun intended) and bushings may not hold up
more than a year, so when its time to replace them you will be S.O.L.
Iron Horse quality has always been shoddy in my experience. I owned a recent one, and a good friend owned a recent one, there were simply a lot of issues. The last year of the DWs was the best obviously, but things like frame alignment and other issues are sketchy with Iron Horse.
Also, changing the shock out for a non-OEM size is going to change the DW characteristics.
Also, changing the shock out for a non-OEM size is going to change the DW characteristics.
Yeah I think Im over the idea of the 6point much as I like the concept, just wouldnt work for me.Jayem said:Also, changing the shock out for a non-OEM size is going to change the DW characteristics.
With regards to the shock, DW gave the idea thumbs up so cant be that bad, but I hear you. Thanks for info. :thumbsup:
I have owned both bikes, The FB is a much better frame . I always smashed the bb and cranks on the rocks with the 6point.
The wrong size bike is still a bad deal !
Look forward... IH is in the past.
Brian
The wrong size bike is still a bad deal !
Look forward... IH is in the past.
Brian
Listen to JRA Brian, he's Schmart
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