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From the Spitfire 2013 thread:

@builttoride: how does the new Spitfire compare to the Prime? Not sure if I want to go back to 26 inch wheels, but the Prime seems a bit heavy for my tastes (closer to the Rune than the Spitty, I'd say). Are you planning to introduce a more "trail-oriented" 29er? Thank you.
Yeah the Prime is comparible to the Rune more than the Spitfire. Perhaps the bike that you are waiting on is the one that you'll see a proto of next spring.
Can't wait to see the model Keith is talking about! My wishlist:

- KS-Link, 120mm of travel
- 130-140mm fork compatibility
- adjustable dropouts, like other KS-link bikes
- aggressive geometry (68-68.5-69 head angle?)
- weight around 7 lbs with shock

What do you expect?
 

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I expect it not to come so soon, as that will make me regret ordering the Prime xD (well, the prime is from the upgrade program, so it isn't that fair of a comparison)
 

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If proto's are coming out in spring, I'd guess the finished product will be about a year away - so don't feel bad if you bought a Prime recently!

I would agree that it's probably going to look a lot like a Prime, but have 110 - 120mm of travel and be a degree steeper HTA than the Prime. 0.25 - 0.5" longer ETT. Fork ATC based on a 120mm 29er fork.
 

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I have no idea where the gossip & rumours are coming from, news to me!

Even with the heavier prime proto I have.... for trails where it might be "too much" bike, I'd prefer an AM 29" hardtail (yelli/honzo/etc). The prime pedals great, the weight doesn't bother me (light build helps), geometry is the only area where less bike might occasionally be an advantage. For me I think the Prime is the right bike (although I would like the adjustable geometry of the production version). Although again, there will always be a hardtail in the stable. Thats more about keeping my skills sharp than having the perfect bike for a certain trail.


But the concept is cool- maybe trading in some travel to get shorter stays and wheelbase, for a more hardtail feel.Wouldn't want to sacrifice stiffness or run less fork personally.
 

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I want a 150-160mm 29er, that would be swell.

Really big bike for really big mountains, if one came out I'd sell my Cotic and buy it. But as things stand I' saving up for a Lenz. 130-140mm is such a wasted opportunity...

#Edit, 200mm travel, 36er and comes with a coffer grinder and crates of Irn Bru.
 

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120mm rear travel. Carbon fiber!

My reasoning being that if it is going to be an aluminum 120mm version of the prime, we would have seen some indication in some of the leak promo stuff. (like the KS rampant?) So I think it will be CF. 120mm CF 29er might give them a little more boutique market share.

That's what I am betting my $0.02 on.
 

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I'd guess that whatever Keith has up his sleeve would be a great bike for a single-stall stable, but like FM, I'm probably always going to have both a FS and a hardtail. If I had to come down to one bike, though, a Spitfire-esque 29er would be pretty much what I'd choose.
 

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120mm rear travel. Carbon fiber!
This bike almost exists already...Devinci Atlas: Carbon fibre, 110 mm travel. 16.9" chain stays, 29er. Too bad about the head angle and the integrated headset. I'd own one if it weren't for the integrated headset.

Only a few tweaks for Banshee to create the perfect trail bike.
 

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CF DEATHFINITLY !!!!!!!
Low Weight is the only target PRIME is missing.

if tank weight is acceptable on PRIME, won't be on lesser travel, more xc oriented bike.

ppsssssst........PM brake mount would be nice feature.
 

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It's going to be sweet, let's just leave it at that :D As to time frame, like with the Prime, patience is the key, it'll get here soon enough ;) Evasive is right, think this will be the ideal 1 bike stable beast :D
 

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CF DEATHFINITLY !!!!!!!
Low Weight is the only target PRIME is missing.
Probably carbon provides the best stiffness to weight ratio, but I'd rather save 1000$ and have a _stiff_ aluminium frame that weights one pound more than a carbon one.

patience is the key
Patience is dead with the advent internet teasing pics and/or posts ;-)
 

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Probably carbon provides the best stiffness to weight ratio, but I'd rather save 1000$ and have a _stiff_ aluminium frame that weights one pound more than a carbon one.
With just one pound more I don't think It'd be nearly as stiff.

I think carbon frame cost will drop,

IMHO of course
 
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