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Posing as a Bidder, Utah Student Disrupts Government Auction of 150,000 Acres of Wilderness for Oil & Gas Drilling

27-year-old Tim DeChristopher posed as a potential bidder and bid hundreds of thousands of dollars on parcels of the land, driving up prices and winning some 22,000 acres for himself, without any intention of paying for them.

Full story here:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/22/posing_as_a_bidder_utah_student

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Too bad he didn't win bids on the entire auction and stall the whole thing!
 

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Way to take one for the team! Hope he doesn't get too much crap from the authorities. Wonder what the punishment for something like that is...
 

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This is great! I think we should have more people acting outside the law, or at least dishonestly, to prevent people who are acting within the law from doing what they want, and have the legal right, to do. I know I can't wait for gas prices to get back up to $4.00 per gallon.

Maybe some hikers and equestrians can learn from this to help keep bicycles off open space and National Forest trails.

Things like this are just great until it's your ox that's getting gored.
 

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Things like this are just great until it's your ox that's getting gored.
Please spare us the melodrama, nobody was wronged by this act of civil disobedience.
First of all the legality of some of these sales is in dispute, a lawsuit has been filed.
If you want to look at it from a moralistic point of view, these lands don't belong to Bush or Cheney or the BLM to do with as they please. They belong to us.
The amount of oil these sales would create is a tiny drop in the bucket of the world supply and would have little to no effect on gas prices.
 

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Sked said:
I know I can't wait for gas prices to get back up to $4.00 per gallon.
Hmm. Are you trying to say that drilling in Arches is going to influence the gas prices?

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Sked said:
This is great! I think we should have more people acting outside the law, or at least dishonestly, to prevent people who are acting within the law from doing what they want, and have the legal right, to do. I know I can't wait for gas prices to get back up to $4.00 per gallon.

Maybe some hikers and equestrians can learn from this to help keep bicycles off open space and National Forest trails.

Things like this are just great until it's your ox that's getting gored.
I totally agree, I think everyone should fall right in line with whatever the administration thinks is best for the little people.
 

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What's the most suspicious about this sale is the timing. You don't go out and try and sell 360,000 acres (later trimmed to 145,000 acres) of public land to oil and gas companies right before your term in office is up. It's basically comes off as, my term is almost up, let me give one last gift to my friends in the industry who donated millions of dollars to my campaigns, and probably will help me buy my next house. He's trying to get this rushed through while still in office, then let the next administration deal with it or try and stop it. Once these things have started moving, it's very difficult to stop them. Once the land has been sold, it's sold. It's going to be a pain in the ass to reverse the sale of these lands. It also comes at a time when the economy is in shambles and everyone has eyes on the stock market and auto makers. This little sale is conveniently provided very little attention by the mainstream media. Bush is a snake, and is just showing his true colors more openly now that he doesn't have to worry about being re-elected.

There's so few remaining untouched pieces of nature in our country. Everything is already developed beyond recognition. We have to act to preserve what we have left, unless your idea of beauty is made out of concrete and steel.
 

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...unless your idea of beauty is made out of concrete and steel.
Would that make you communist? :D

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Sale of public lands to private companies for private profit is theft from the people of the united states of america.
This man did the only "right" thing that occurred at that auction.
 

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Sked said:
This is great! I think we should have more people acting outside the law, or at least dishonestly, to prevent people who are acting within the law from doing what they want, and have the legal right, to do.
It's called civil disobedience and it's as integral a part of our country's history as corruption and special interest in government.
 

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Sked said:
This is great! I think we should have more people acting outside the law, or at least dishonestly, to prevent people who are acting within the law from doing what they want, and have the legal right, to do. I know I can't wait for gas prices to get back up to $4.00 per gallon.

Maybe some hikers and equestrians can learn from this to help keep bicycles off open space and National Forest trails.

Things like this are just great until it's your ox that's getting gored.
So I take it you either
a) work for an oil company,
b) live in C Springs,
c) hate the environment,
d) hate moab because it's too technical for you, or
e) all of the above
 

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I commend this young mans selfless action. I say good job brother!!

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That's awesome. Hope he wins the case. The Bush administration actually did the same thing on the east coast a few years back. Locals caught wind and inundated the Forest Service with letters of opposal which led to instead of hundreds of thousands of acres of land being sold off, only a couple of thousand. Still the land is ours and was set aside for us and for our future generations to enjoy,it should be kept that way as was intended.
 

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So I take it you either
a) work for an oil company,
b) live in C Springs,
c) hate the environment,
d) hate moab because it's too technical for you, or
e) all of the above
How about f), none of the above. c) I'm willing to bet I'm a better "environmentalist" than most of the people who contribute to this forum. I earned one of the first minors in Environmental Science ever offered by CSM. a) I do not work for an oil company. b) Golden. d) I'm probably a better technical rider than most of you. I can ride up the rock garden at Hall with one, maybe two forced stops and down with zero. I'll admit, while I've spent time around Moab and truly love the landscape, I've never ridden there.

I just feel there is a right way to get things done and a wrong way. I feel this person is a self serving egotist and should not be rewarded for his actions. As I said, when folks start doing such things to keep us off National Forest and open space trails, and they've been trying to do just that, y'all are not going to think they're "heroes".

I don't care for George W and don't support destroying national treasures. Like most, if not all, of you, I have no idea exactly where these lands are and what the plans are and I'm willing to bet your "hero" doesn't either. He stated himself that he had no idea what leases he had purchaed. Until I have more information, I'm not going to just assume the worst. There are ways of exploring for, and extracting, oil from the ground without wholesale environmental destruction. Furthermore, these are leases, not sales. The land will still be ours.

I'm just sayin.
 
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