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layback seatpost for bullit (28.6)

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freeriderB

Discussion Starter · Aug 9, 2004

I want the Titec Hellbent which offers 1.5" of layback since I'm running a medium frame instead of a Large. However, I don't think it comes in the 28.6 size.

Can shims be used (any safety concerns when taking drops)?

Or is there another company that offers a 1.5" layback?

Thanks.

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man w/ one hand

· #2 · Aug 9, 2004

Thomson has about a 1" layback....but

w/a layback post you'll only be able to drop the post down as far as th' straight section goes, it'll stop at th' point it starts to "layback". "That aspect" may affect drops, i.e. not being able to drop th' seat all th' way. Other than that a shimmed post would be fine. Maybe a longer stem would free-up a'lil room in th' cockpit. It'll make your steerin' a'lil slower. Personally, I wouldn't trust a layback if your droppin', huckin'. They may be perfectly fine in reality, I've never tried one, but a bent, (layback), seatpost seems like its halfway to being broken already. JMO.

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KomodoRider

· #3 · Aug 9, 2004

tomson

in running a tomson prebent lol and it works nice its bent in the last 3.5" so you can slam the seat down, im doing 6ft drops on a hard tail and its fine, you should get one, oh ya they come w/ lots of pritty stickers

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TNC

· #4 · Aug 9, 2004

Here's a Thomson 27.2 layback (shimmed)

freeriderB said:
I want the Titec Hellbent which offers 1.5" of layback since I'm running a medium frame instead of a Large. However, I don't think it comes in the 28.6 size.

Can shims be used (any safety concerns when taking drops)?

Or is there another company that offers a 1.5" layback?

Thanks.

I have 2 Bullits (28.6) and 2 Specialized FSRs (30.9). I have always bought 27.2 posts because they are the most common and then got a quality shim. Don't get tapered shims--get the exact shim to go from a 27.2 to the exact post size for your bike. QBP and Cane Creek have good quality shims. I've never had a post slip with one of these. Here's a pic of a layback Thomson, but I think they only claim 19 mm of set back instead of an inch. Here also a pic of a 27.2 Titec Hellbent on a Bullit. I've had no problems with either post or the shims.

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freeriderB

Discussion Starter · #5 · Aug 9, 2004

27.2 with a shim

sounds good...I may go with the Titec. If it sucks, I'll throw it on my Gemini since it's a 27.2.

Any suggestions for keeping my Bullit light (but not XC light)?

I'm trying to decide on a light wheelset that will take abuse (20mm front hub for Super T).

Leaning towards Dee Max...but wonder if any can be built for less cash???

TNC said:
I have 2 Bullits (28.6) and 2 Specialized FSRs (30.9). I have always bought 27.2 posts because they are the most common and then got a quality shim. Don't get tapered shims--get the exact shim to go from a 27.2 to the exact post size for your bike. QBP and Cane Creek have good quality shims. I've never had a post slip with one of these. Here's a pic of a layback Thomson, but I think they only claim 19 mm of set back instead of an inch. Here also a pic of a 27.2 Titec Hellbent on a Bullit. I've had no problems with either post or the shims.

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keen

· #6 · Aug 9, 2004

I think the Titec & Thompson layback style posts are pretty lame. I had a Titec on my last bike and you just can't drop the post far enough. Qoute - I'm running a medium frame instead of a Large. - Sounds like you should be riding on a large frame.

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TNC

· #7 · Aug 9, 2004

Lame or not applicable?

keen said:
I think the Titec & Thompson layback style posts are pretty lame. I had a Titec on my last bike and you just can't drop the post far enough. Qoute - I'm running a medium frame instead of a Large. - Sounds like you should be riding on a large frame.

I would agree that the Hellbent has a narrower application category because of its post design, but that's the point. It fits a certain need or preference for some riders and their bikes for a serious set back that can't be achieved by any other other method other than a radical bend in the post--and still retain integrity. Anyone considering a Hellbent should definitely comprehend that this post will limit "slamming" or lowering the post where that feature is a critical element to them. That 1.5" set back is big, but it comes with a compromise. Lameness, however, suggests poor construction, failure, etc. The Hellbent is over 300g and is quite strong. It has a very good head with good saddle adjustability. It just may not be the right tool for every job obviously. As to the Thomson, I don't see what lameness factor you can apply to it at all. It's also a high quality post that you can lower a great deal and is otherwise very similar to its dead realiable standard post. Just because a part or component doesn't fit a specific rider's bike, application, or preference doesn't necessarily mean that it's lame or unusable for another rider.

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freeriderB

Discussion Starter · #8 · Aug 9, 2004

layback posts

Nicely put TNC....
What size Bullit frames are you running those layback posts on?
And what length stem?

I'm thinking layback post, then using the integrated stem on the Super T set to it's longest 67mm +/-.

I'm 6' even, and I feel the layback will really help in addition to a "longer" stem.

I had a Large bullit a while back with a straight seatpost and a 50mm stem.

TNC said:
I would agree that the Hellbent has a narrower application category because of its post design, but that's the point. It fits a certain need or preference for some riders and their bikes for a serious set back that can't be achieved by any other other method other than a radical bend in the post--and still retain integrity. Anyone considering a Hellbent should definitely comprehend that this post will limit "slamming" or lowering the post where that feature is a critical element to them. That 1.5" set back is big, but it comes with a compromise. Lameness, however, suggests poor construction, failure, etc. The Hellbent is over 300g and is quite strong. It has a very good head with good saddle adjustability. It just may not be the right tool for every job obviously. As to the Thomson, I don't see what lameness factor you can apply to it at all. It's also a high quality post that you can lower a great deal and is otherwise very similar to its dead realiable standard post. Just because a part or component doesn't fit a specific rider's bike, application, or preference doesn't necessarily mean that it's lame or unusable for another rider.

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TNC

· #9 · Aug 9, 2004

Size

freeriderB said:
Nicely put TNC....
What size Bullit frames are you running those layback posts on?
And what length stem?

I'm thinking layback post, then using the integrated stem on the Super T set to it's longest 67mm +/-.

I'm 6' even, and I feel the layback will really help in addition to a "longer" stem.

I had a Large bullit a while back with a straight seatpost and a 50mm stem.

Both Bullits are large models, and I'm 6 feet. The red one is set up as an aggressive trail bike with a 90mm stem. The silver one is a little more toward the freeride category with a 70mm stem, but is still mainly used for aggressive trail riding. Semantics and how people use their bikes vary quite a bit obviously, and it's hard to qualify everything in detail on the internet. I'm amused how people react sometimes to bike pics posted here. One guy recently nearly had an aneurysm when he saw my post height to bar relationship and made all sorts of absolute comments about how wrong it was. Well, I'm sure it was wrong for him, or for his bike, or for his riding style, or for his riding area, on and on. The point is that people are different and have different needs or preferences within reason. I'm sure hucking a Huffy off of some radical North Shore stunts would be totally stupid and dangerous, but as you get farther from that kind of lunacy it gets harder to qualify bike types and setups as absolutes. There are absolutes in the laws of physics, but there is still a lot of flexibility in how we use our bikes and components, and how we set them up to suit our needs and preferences. As long as you realize the limitations and geometry impact of the Hellbent post, it may indeed be worth trying for your particular situation. You'll also notice that I use an Azonic Love Seat on that post. This allows me to move very far forward and rearward as the need dictates to weight or unweight the bike for certain trail situations.

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MRfire

· #10 · Aug 9, 2004

TNC said:
Both Bullits are large models, and I'm 6 feet. The red one is set up as an aggressive trail bike with a 90mm stem. The silver one is a little more toward the freeride category with a 70mm stem, but is still mainly used for aggressive trail riding. Semantics and how people use their bikes vary quite a bit obviously, and it's hard to qualify everything in detail on the internet. I'm amused how people react sometimes to bike pics posted here. One guy recently nearly had an aneurysm when he saw my post height to bar relationship and made all sorts of absolute comments about how wrong it was. Well, I'm sure it was wrong for him, or for his bike, or for his riding style, or for his riding area, on and on. The point is that people are different and have different needs or preferences within reason. I'm sure hucking a Huffy off of some radical North Shore stunts would be totally stupid and dangerous, but as you get farther from that kind of lunacy it gets harder to qualify bike types and setups as absolutes. There are absolutes in the laws of physics, but there is still a lot of flexibility in how we use our bikes and components, and how we set them up to suit our needs and preferences. As long as you realize the limitations and geometry impact of the Hellbent post, it may indeed be worth trying for your particular situation. You'll also notice that I use an Azonic Love Seat on that post. This allows me to move very far forward and rearward as the need dictates to weight or unweight the bike for certain trail situations.

What's wrong with your post to bar height? Looks OK to me...

btw: I'm 6'1" and ride a large Bullit with 90mm stem and I still feel a little cramped. I've been considering a set back post as well. Not to many 28.6's on Ebay though, may have to splurge for regular price. Cheapest I've found for the Thomson layback 28.6 is $59.99 - not too bad.

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