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law banning use of baby carriers?

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I am not as big of a poster as a lurker, but thought this would boil some peoples bottoms and the rants here can be pretty interesting...

bill proposed to stop the use of baby carriers on public roads:
http://www.washingtonvotes.org/Legislation.aspx?ID=42267

My opinions :mad: are probably similar to yours, but lets hear yours (and let them hear yours)
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interesting.
too big for the sidewalk and too dangerous for the road is the argument? let's face it bikes are a big enough annoyance on the roads...the gp doesn't care if a cyclist gets hit, hurt a few kids and the status quo might have to change!

what about drafting some legislation that forces towns cities to provide a cycling lane? probably better cents (spent) all round.
I don't like them.

I don't like baby carriers. I think they put a small child or baby at too much risk. But, that's just my opinion and I will not tell other parents what to do with their kids. Nor would I support any legislation that would do the same.
bob said:
I don't like baby carriers. I think they put a small child or baby at too much risk. But, that's just my opinion and I will not tell other parents what to do with their kids. Nor would I support any legislation that would do the same.
I don't like them either, on the road - they're just too low and hard to see for me to feel comfortable dragging my kid along, even with the silly little orange flag.

There isn't any real alternative, though. Bike-mounted baby seats are deathtraps, even with helmets used (and many are designed without taking helmets into account, so they're uncomfortable even if you try to be responsible about it).
I only operate my kid trailer on public bike paths. I have ridden from my house to the path on residential streets in the past and sidewalks and it always made me uncomfortable. I don't know if we need another law to protect us from ourselves though.
My son loves to ride in the burley, but the few times I have had him on the road were enough for me. I will only take him on the road in VERY residential areas where we live, straight streets with no blind turns, 25mph speed limits and only in good light.
Anywhere else and I find a way to go off the road, often the sidewalks. Truth is, not too many people use them anymore so don't bother flaming me for not supporting the team, my kid is more important.
This law avoids the problem, drivers not paying attention, and instead attempts to make things safer indirectly by giving inattentive drivers fewer things and people to hit.
Well, I guess I'll get more time one the trail.
dpdsurf said:
I don't know if we need another law to protect us from ourselves though.
Thank you!

As for kid haulers, I have an uncle who inspired me to get into riding when I was a kid. He got so used to riding hauling his kids (too young to stay at home alone) on his solo training rides, he just kept doing it, even as they started getting bigger. Eventually, his kids patience outgrew going on dads daily 60mile training rides, and he got back on his road bike. He missed the power training of it though, so he grabbed the ancient 40lb cannondale (1985ish) mtb again hooked up the kid trailer, and loaded it with a pile of bricks. He's been riding like that for ten years. Hill country & all. The guys a pure monster. Never races, but on group rides, he takes off like a rocket as soon as it's climbing time. I think of him every time I see one of those things. Not really on topic, but I couldn't help think of that...
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Bingo!

PoorBehavior said:
This law avoids the problem, drivers not paying attention, and instead attempts to make things safer indirectly by giving inattentive drivers fewer things and people to hit.
Let's ban cars and inattentive drivers.
Or maybe we can just ban kids.
Better yet let's ban lawmakers and safety nazis.

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My computer won't let me read the link. Are they banning trailers or kids in trailers? Regardless, its a stupid law designed to protect cage drivers "rights" under the guise of saftey for kids and bikers.
Cut and paste from link

2006 Senate Pre-filed Bill 6142 (Prohibiting the use of bicycles with baby carriers on roadways)

Introduced by Sen. Jim Honeyford on December 7, 2005, to prohibit a person from operating a bicycle attached to an occupied baby carrier on a street or other roadway, unless the bicycle is operated within a city or town that prohibits the operation of bicycles on the sidewalk adjacent to the street or other roadway.
CraigH said:
Cut and paste from link
Jim's website
YuriB said:
Better yet let's ban lawmakers and safety nazis.
Lawmakers have their place, but I'm with ya on the safety nazis! :)
dpdsurf said:
I don't know if we need another law to protect us from ourselves though.
We do, because personal responsibility has eroded so much. If we could somehow keep people from suing the state and others for their own mistakes, then we might be able to live with a little more freedom. People are selfish though and they take advantage of every opportunity to try and wring money out of the system.
Without a carrier, how I'm I ever going to bring along a keg?
You need more of these ones....

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YuriB said:
Thanks Yuri, there's a handy "email" link to tell the Senator what you think.
Warp2003 said:
You need more of these ones....
:eek:

Soooo, the engine goes in front? :p :D

Once upon a time Mom used to put me on the rack on the back of her "cruiser" when I was too young to ride 2-wheels on my own. She didn't even use bungee-cords! :D Had anything happened I would have been toast. Keep in mind this was the 70's, eh?

So, now it's come to the point where people must restrain themselves and their kids from any enjoyment in life, for sake of the irresponsible @'s that can't slow down a little and use some common sense.

I have a better idea - why not just ban pregnancy altogether. :rolleyes: All those stupid little kids getting in the way of everything, right? They cause stress and MUST be the reason the world is such a horrible place to live. Yeah, that's it.

Why can't these politicians do something CONSTRUCTIVE with OUR time and money? Oh wait, that would make sense.

Don't get me wrong - I can really understand how something like this could honestly get in the way of the flow of traffic, BUT if it was really THAT big of a problem wouldn't it make more sense to put in BIKE LANES???????? :eek:

Nah, the banning pregnancy idea is better, I guess. :rolleyes:

Sorry for the unusual attitude with my post, but this stuff is very upsetting to me. People need to learn.
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AndrewTO said:
:eek:

Soooo, the engine goes in front? :p :D
Enough room for a 454, baby!! And I'm not talking about a Pike!

These things are SERIOUS singlespeed action...

The only con of these is they occupy a lot of garage space and at least the ones used here in Mexico are workhorses with little or no technology. Somebody could make a nice business doing some of these in the USA with a little of creativity.
Rember to be civil

Dwight Moody said:
Thanks Yuri, there's a handy "email" link to tell the Senator what you think.
Here is what I sent,

"Dear Sen. Honeyford,

I do not live in your district or in Washington. I do however ride bikes on trails, MUTs and streets and on occasion with my son in his Burley trailer.
I am an upstanding citizen in my community and strive to make my community a better place.
I am am disturbed by your proposed bill and wonder what the imptus and intnet is.
As near as I can tell this law avoids a percived problem - drivers not paying attention, and instead attempts to make things safer indirectly by giving inattentive drivers fewer things and people to hit.
I hope I am wrong and I hope this pre-bill is put to bed.
If you would be so kind I would like to hear your response.

Regards,
Yuri
Phoenix, AZ"
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YuriB said:
Here is what I sent,

"Dear Sen. Honeyford,

I do not live in your district or in Washington. I do however ride bikes on trails, MUTs and streets and on occasion with my son in his Burley trailer.
I am an upstanding citizen in my community and strive to make my community a better place.
I am am disturbed by your proposed bill and wonder what the imptus and intnet is.
As near as I can tell this law avoids a percived problem - drivers not paying attention, and instead attempts to make things safer indirectly by giving inattentive drivers fewer things and people to hit.
I hope I am wrong and I hope this pre-bill is put to bed.
If you would be so kind I would like to hear your response.

Regards,
Yuri
Phoenix, AZ"
Polite is key. Anything with profanity or threats probably just gets blocked or trashcanned (and investigated if it's bad enough).

I live in Washington but not in his district (I live on the Democratic coast, not the Republican interior), so he probably still doesn't care too much, but if enough messages pile up, it'll do some good.
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