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The Corridor does exist

taffy15 said:
I spoke with the Lead Ranger from Elfin Forest about the existence of a corridor allowing a trail to connect La Costa and Elfin. He thinks there is a strong possibility it exists. He said the water district already owns a large part of it. So easement rights might be granted on the rest.Two of the head rangers might be at the trail day. That would be a great time to pursue building such a trail.No way should you miss the opportunity to bat around an opportunity like this. If we can put together a project like this I want to create a trail team dedicated to building single track between the two parks.

The corridor does exist, but it needs some debrushing, work and of course a blessing. I have been researching and scouting a connector over the summer. Here are a few pics (sorry no access to my Google Earth stuff at the moment)

Starting from the Elfin End.
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The Escondidio Sewer line easment is a bit of double track that runs from end of the single track along the creek at Elfin Forest almost halfway to La Costa. It is nearly flat most of the way. Note the Cielo Trail going down below the dam. At the bottom it cross the dam access road and continues a little further on trail and comes out on Via Ambiente Road. Directly across the road from where it comes out is a trail the was well used prior to the commencement of construction for the dam. It is heavily overgrown right now. The start of that trail is marked as Point C on the next slide.

<IMG SRC="https://www.mountainbikebill.com/images/misc/Elfin-LaCosta-2.jpg" border="2"> That overgrown trail goes from Point C to Point A. The trail is passable from Point A to where it come out at the junction of Olivehain easment and the Escondido Sewer Easement east east of Point D. The Olivehain easement on this area is brutally steep. Note at Point F is a trail heading off from the Escondido Sewer Easement. This is singletrack that turns into a wider trail after crossing the creek. It is regularly use by the equestrians in the area.

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On this slide the trail at Point F continues on/alongside some of the streets before coming out on Fortuna Del Este. From there you can roll along the streets to Point H-2.

From Point D there is some steep grunting to do to get to Point G. From there you can either take the Olivehain easement to H1 or continue on the fireroad to H-2. Either way you are working.

H-1 to I is a fireroad while H-2 to I is a surface street.

The road is back to dirt at Point I and you will climb along I -J--K toward some water tanks and the top of a hill. These are the water tanks on the next hill east of the La Costa Hill. They are Point L on the next slide.



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From Point L you rolling down a fireroad to Point M and on to N. Note from the Point L on, the trails are signned by the CNLM.

There are a few other options that I have not fully scoped. I think reopening the C to D route would be really cool.

La Costa to Elfin via the Escondido Sewer Easement with option to return by dropping the Cielo trail and continue on to Point D would be cool.

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Bill, what's the next step to reclaiming the C to D portion of the trail. Should we discuss this with the proper management bodies?
 

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Thanks Mudd

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That was an interesting article that uses the word trail and pathway in the same aricle. I believe one of the tasks before us is introducing our definition of trail to the powers that be. It has been my experience that when we all say "trail" it is not always the same. If we can get a MTN BIKE SKILLS PARK built it will go a long way in introducing the way mtn biking is really going to the public and the public officails. Do you remember the response we heard when the officails were taken on a walk to Flightline? To put it succinctly it wasn't what they were ready for.
 

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Do you remember the response we heard when the officails were taken on a walk to Flightline? To put it succinctly it wasn't what they were ready for.
The only thing land managers understand when they see or think about us is "un-funded liability".
 

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Anyone have any contacts with IMBA groups in Colorado?
The Fruita area is like a whole city full of Taffy 15's and they are able to build DH / Freeride trails with official blessing.

Check out the link and see that it is possible to build trails this side of the Canadian Border. We just need to understand how they were able to get the land managers to sign off on REAL mtb trails.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=338702
 

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That Was *****en

FLETCHLIVES said:
Anyone have any contacts with IMBA groups in Colorado?
The Fruita area is like a whole city full of Taffy 15's and they are able to build DH / Freeride trails with official blessing.

Check out the link and see that it is possible to build trails this side of the Canadian Border. We just need to understand how they were able to get the land managers to sign off on REAL mtb trails.
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=338702
Fletch That was a great post from Fruita. I could feel the guys pulse quicken as he was seeing more of the trail being fleshed out. How about that one technical? I like the way thet were satisfying risk management by providing a roll out to the side along with the huck for the more advanced. That is how you fock the lawyers because with the roll out provided the end user always has a choice. I hope you make the 19th. This new trail should provide this landmanager with a positive experience. I am pushing for a more sustainable trail meaning less yearly maintenance one that won't grow wider meaning less long run impact on the land and one that is more fun meaning it will manage the land for the manager by keeping people on the trail.
 

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Trail work

A HUGE and big thanks to TAFFY15 for the hundreds and hundreds of hours he has personally put in to maintaining the current trails and building a NEW trail. I helped for a meager two hours today and was very impressed with his trail building technique. I was surprised to see how much new trail he has already built. I cannot wait to see it's completion. It will take this hill to a whole new level.

I strongly encourage everyone that uses the trails to come out on the 19th. With a large number of helpers we will have a whole new trail ready to ride!!!!

Ride More
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Much Sadness ;-(

Taffy,

Sad to say, I will be in Tahoe on the 19th. Otherwise, I would have been up for a whole days worth of work. We have always asked for more frequently organized trail work days. I recognize that previously your work was somewhat clandestine, so it was hard to formally organize and involve others. But, now that we are beginning to receive support from the land managers, please keep them coming so more and more of us will be able to come out and lend a hand.
 

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Hi Y'all,

Thanks for the site and the trail work. I'm one of the few local residents who bike the trail, there are three of us including the firefighters with the bikes near the trail head. I ride with dog and boy(9) and these trails have opened my son to biking. Most of the residents don't mind bikers and hikers parking, the hill was here long before the houses and having an open space for all to use is a blessing. I ran here with my cross country team for years. Anyone who does object needs to have their heads examined, the land is everybody's. I surf regularly in the morning at Blacks and we park and change in front of the resident's house's for 30 years. No problems there.

If anyone needs to park on the 19th, across the street from my house at the dead end on Sitio Lima is open to workers and riders. A fire road links to the Juniperro Serra area. We do pay heavy HOA, some of which goes to the Open Space preserve. Thanks again for the trails we'll be there on the 19th.

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Bummer

I love this trail, but I moved back to New England last week. So, one less East Coaster on your trails guys :thumbsup: . Best of luck with the new trail folks, I hope the parking problem is resolved. Brendan.

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I'll be there. Ironically I just purchased a condo over the hill in San Elijo hills. I want to help keep my new backyard ride as good as it can be.
Congrats! I'm in your hometown right now.
 

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i plan on being out there for this... but before then, can someone describe what trail is going to be put to bed? i'm just curious... if it's 6-8 feet wide i prolly don't ride it anyways.
 

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Putting it to Bed

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i plan on being out there for this... but before then, can someone describe what trail is going to be put to bed? i'm just curious... if it's 6-8 feet wide i prolly don't ride it anyways.
Dan the trail is the south west one that hits the bottom of the mtn right where the DH trail comes out, There are two bermed turns right next to each other that are bordered by the fence stakes defining the private property. The owner put up the yellow tape on the stakes to highlight them.
We need to help keep hikers , people afoot, to stay on the trails. As more of the public discovers La Costa the impact increases and who do think gets the credit for off trail incursion? Mtn bikers that rebel bunch that only know how to poach. Well I hate to bag on the sacro-sainct hikers but they are 99% of the ones going off trail. Yesterday as I stood talking to Mtn Bike Bill and another biker we watched as a pair of hikers cut across the top of NASCAR and went straight to the bottom. I yelled at them to get back on the trail and they continued. So then I yelled at them that I was going to kick their -ss. All we got was a ridiculous response of "we are not from around here". So stay on the trail you froggen morons. We want more trails and try to sell the idea to land managers as a way to actually decrease impact not bring people into a new area so they can increase it. Then Bill and I confronted a runner and he was blazing right up the mtn. Bill told him to "STAY ON THE TRAIL" and he totally ignored the plea. What are you gonna do! But at least I can stand in front of rangers and land managers and with complete confidence say it probably is not a biker. Hope everyone gives the new trail a chance to dry out. Just alittle dry out will mean a huge increase in long time durability.
 

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taffy15 said:
Dan the trail is the south west one that hits the bottom of the mtn right where the DH trail comes out, There are two bermed turns right next to each other that are bordered by the fence stakes defining the private property. The owner put up the yellow tape on the stakes to highlight them.
We need to help keep hikers , people afoot, to stay on the trails. As more of the public discovers La Costa the impact increases and who do think gets the credit for off trail incursion? Mtn bikers that rebel bunch that only know how to poach. Well I hate to bag on the sacro-sainct hikers but they are 99% of the ones going off trail. Yesterday as I stood talking to Mtn Bike Bill and another biker we watched as a pair of hikers cut across the top of NASCAR and went straight to the bottom. I yelled at them to get back on the trail and they continued. So then I yelled at them that I was going to kick their -ss. All we got was a ridiculous response of "we are not from around here". So stay on the trail you froggen morons. We want more trails and try to sell the idea to land managers as a way to actually decrease impact not bring people into a new area so they can increase it. Then Bill and I confronted a runner and he was blazing right up the mtn. Bill told him to "STAY ON THE TRAIL" and he totally ignored the plea. What are you gonna do! But at least I can stand in front of rangers and land managers and with complete confidence say it probably is not a biker. Hope everyone gives the new trail a chance to dry out. Just alittle dry out will mean a huge increase in long time durability.
Ok, time to make a sign to place at the trailhead(s). As much as I hate signs!: "Please stay on the trails. $10,000 fine."
 

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i think education is key...
when i first started mtnbiking i had moved here from inner city chicago and never really had too much outdoors exposure. i often took the trails that cut switch backs and blazed my own trails just because they looked like more fun. i, due to my ignorance, never realized the impact i had. i just thought it was more of the "man" trying to control what i did; the same "mans" who were putting up those "trail revegitation in progress" signs everywhere. only fairly recently have i been becoming aware of the trail access issues and how these behaviours impact out ability to ride what little space we have left.

if there was a way to bring people up to speed on what impacts their trail cutting and blazing have, they may decide that it's not worth it and stay on trail. the problem is, how do you get people to listen??
 
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