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Otso Vaytek, that's a good one. Enjoy!

I love my Wozo, getting ready to build the 27.5 wheels for 3.8 Minions.

We've had a ton of snow, just one ride in the past week due to limited grooming, but hoping to get out midday tomorrow for a little hiking, packing, riding.

Fat bike fest this weekend in the Methow Valley, should be a hoot!
 

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Otso Vaytek, that's a good one. Enjoy!

I love my Wozo, getting ready to build the 27.5 wheels for 3.8 Minions.

We've had a ton of snow, just one ride in the past week due to limited grooming, but hoping to get out midday tomorrow for a little hiking, packing, riding.

Fat bike fest this weekend in the Methow Valley, should be a hoot!
Woot woot! It's been a mix of super cold and now rain and warm weather in Northern Utah. Winter needs to make up its mind!

And for anyone wondering, the frame is still available.

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After calling at least 15-20 dealers across the US I finally tracked down a Large. Should have it next week. They are out there but it's a tough go trying to find any.
 

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It's the last time I will say anything about it, but the medium frame is still available. Will post it up on FB and Pinkbike tomorrow. Just wanted someone here to have a shot at it first

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I guys, I just posted on the other WOZO thread but this one seems a bit more active. Anyone know the BB shell width, crank spindle length, and resulting q factor? Thanks.
I just measured the bb shell width on my Large at roughly 4.75", so looking like a 121mm. I'll try to get the q-factor measurement later and update
 

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At full drop?

That would be a yes on a RF 150mm internal. I had one set up and it reached fine, but the medium frame was too small for me so I'm running a 150mm drop in a large frame.

anyone know if a 150mm dropper post will fit in a medium frame?
 

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At full drop?

That would be a yes on a RF 150mm internal. I had one set up and it reached fine, but the medium frame was too small for me so I'm running a 150mm drop in a large frame.
The dropper routing is internal? Is all the cable routing internal?

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Easilly. A 27.5 x 4 is a little taller than a 26 x 4.8, and it's shorter that a 29 x 3, but I can run both with the drops slammed.

I'll be building a set soon.

Probably take a 27.5 x 4.5 if the rim wasn't too wide
Yo Ben, how much is a little taller? Curious about B-fat as well and wondering if it'd really be much difference over 26x5.
 

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I guys, I just posted on the other WOZO thread but this one seems a bit more active. Anyone know the BB shell width, crank spindle length, and resulting q factor? Thanks.
As mentioned above, the shell width is 121mm, and the diameter is 41mm (confusingly, referred to as PF41, PF92, or BB-86). I just purchased and received a Wheels Manufacturing BB: Fat Bike Bottom Brackets . There are 2 PF41 options: I'll be using a Race Face Aeffect Crankset, so I bought the one for Shimano Hollowtech/GPX, but there is also an option for SRAM cranks, which uses a tapered spindle. Just taking it out of the box, it looks like a very high quality piece, as the cups are full alloy (not plastic), it weighs only 113 grams, the bearings are replaceable, and it includes seals and a few very thin spindle spacers (which I don't think are needed for the Wozo). You press in the NDS female cup, and then thread in the male DS cup using an external bearing cup tool.

The Aeffect crankset is a great option, and is what Kona uses on the factory build. It is lightweight, inexpensive, allows you to use Cinch direct mount chain rings, and the smaller 24mm spindle enables the use of larger bearings compared to what can fit with a 30mm spindle. You want the one for 170/177 rear spacing. I haven't installed mine yet, but just mocking it up with the BB set at 121mm, it looks like no extra spacers are needed on the spindle. The Q-factor for this crankset is 205mm (see: https://www.raceface.com/media/Crank_Q-factors_and_chainlines.pdf ).

And just a quick follow-up on the rear axle. Art's Cyclery was able to special order the Maxle Ultimate (part number 00.4318.009.007) for me, so kudos to them for coming through on that.

I'm waiting on a spoke order to build a rear wheel, so that's why I haven't assembled the bike yet. I'll have to harvest some parts from my fat bike, so I'm keeping it in service as long as I can until everything is ready.
 

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Yo Ben, how much is a little taller? Curious about B-fat as well and wondering if it'd really be much difference over 26x5.
I posted pics, the 29+ Minion in the shortest cs position leaves a big 1/8" of clearance at the yoke. This is one of the taller tires, so use that dimension to feed your imagination.

I have no issues with a 4.8 Minion on a 65mm rim, just the right fit, maximizes tire patch with enough snow /mud clearance.

You can look up dimensions on the net.
 

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My spokes arrived last weekend, so I was able to build my rear fat wheel (Marge Lite on Bitex 177 hub), and then build my large Wozo frame up last Saturday. I'm using a 120mm Bluto, I have the sliders slammed forward for 420mm chain-stays, and 4.5" Snowshoes (which have a pathetically undersized tread:sidewall ratio). The bike weighs 30.25 pounds, without pedals. I'm close to 6'3", with a long 36" inseem and shorter torso, and running a 50mm stem and 750mm bars, which feels perfect to me.
I got 2 snow-less rides in, and so far I'm liking it. The only downside I noticed so far is a little more precision is needed to get the long front-center around the tightest steep uphill switchbacks, and climbing steeps is best done out of the saddle. Otherwise, the bike handles very well, and pedal strikes are not prevalent (better than the Specialized Fuse I rented last year). I measured the BB height at 313mm, which corresponds well with Kona's 304mm with a 100mm Bluto.

Today I built up a set of 29+ wheels, using Sun Ringle Duroc 40 rims, and mounted a 120 tpi VeeTrax Fatty 3.0 on the rear and an Innova Transformers Race 3.0 on the front. I measured the BB height at 322mm with the 29+ setup, which is even a little lower than the Trek Stache. Bike weight is 27.25 pounds without pedals. I'm planning to ride this setup tomorrow morning before the trails thaw out from the next heat wave.

So far the geometry appears spot-on. I was planning on building up a dedicated 29+ bike (Trek Stache, Carver Gnarvester, JabberWocky, etc), but when I saw the Wozo specs, I realized I could have one hardtail to serve as a 29+ bike, and replace my fatbike for the winter when needed. The Wozo frame weight is negligible compared to the other alloy dedicated 29+ options (and less than the steel options), and the q-factor is very reasonable with the 170 rear spacing, so there is really no compromise, IMO.
 

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...Today I built up a set of 29+ wheels, using Sun Ringle Duroc 40 rims, and mounted a 120 tpi VeeTrax Fatty 3.0 on the rear and an Innova Transformers Race 3.0 on the front. I measured the BB height at 322mm with the 29+ setup, which is even a little lower than the Trek Stache. Bike weight is 27.25 pounds without pedals. I'm planning to ride this setup tomorrow morning before the trails thaw out from the next heat wave.

So far the geometry appears spot-on. I was planning on building up a dedicated 29+ bike (Trek Stache, Carver Gnarvester, JabberWocky, etc), but when I saw the Wozo specs, I realized I could have one hardtail to serve as a 29+ bike, and replace my fatbike for the winter when needed. The Wozo frame weight is negligible compared to the other alloy dedicated 29+ options (and less than the steel options), and the q-factor is very reasonable with the 170 rear spacing, so there is really no compromise, IMO.
Nice work. I'm planning to do the same but with Arc Plus 45's or i45s. Tough to tell from the one pic, but how is the clearance on the Bluto?
 

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Nice work. I'm planning to do the same but with Arc Plus 45's or i45s. Tough to tell from the one pic, but how is the clearance on the Bluto?
There's not a lot of clearance from the fork, ~6mm. It's less than between the rear tire and the frame.
 

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There's not a lot of clearance from the fork, ~6mm. It's less than between the rear tire and the frame.
In the 420mm position it's about as tight as it is at fork bridge. Nothing really to do about it until one of the fork makers spring for a mold. In all fairness, no one really saw fat bikes taking off as they have, 5" tires, full suspension, rtc...
 

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I went to my local kona dealer to order a Wozo at the end of December. The guy at the shop told me I'd hate the wozo and tried to sell me a bike off the floor that was nothing like the wozo. Also said he couldn't get one until spring or summer.

So long story short, I ordered one from www.jejamescycles.com (15% off coupon put the total at $1950 shipped). It took a month to arrive. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up in case you're looking to pick up a complete Wozo sooner than later and don't mind saving $600 in the process.

 

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I went to my local kona dealer to order a Wozo at the end of December. The guy at the shop told me I'd hate the wozo and tried to sell me a bike off the floor that was nothing like the wozo. Also said he couldn't get one until spring or summer.

So long story short, I ordered one from JE James Cycles Homepage | JE James Cycles (15% off coupon put the total at $1950 shipped). It took a month to arrive. Just wanted to give you guys a heads up in case you're looking to pick up a complete Wozo sooner than later and don't mind saving $600 in the process.

Nice!

Been riding yet? JJ 4.0/4.8? What rims? Looks like a medium frame, love that low standover, wish my large had a little more room for the jewels, but I needed the reach of the large.

How come you did an external dropper? Assuming thats a 125mm fully extended, then you probably have enough for a 150mm.

You should drop the name of that shop, it's dirty business trying to sell someone something they don't want in hopes that they won't know the difference.

Good job finding a Wozo, it's an awesome bike, totally flew under the radar, I almost missed it. Can't wait for some dry trails so I can pull out the 29+ Minions!
 

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Haven't been riding yet... I know embarrassing but it's been so warm here in Colorado and I love my other bike so much that I've just been riding that bike (Stanton switchback). I'll get out on the Wozo soon though.

I didn't know there was routing for internal dropper and I didn't want to exchange the one I had ordered. It's 150 fully extended. And that is as far as the post will fit in the frame. Fortunately it fits me perfectly. I might even put a slightly shorter stem on it.

In my short rides around the neighbourhood, I'm blown away at how much this fat bike feels like a regular bike. Seems like all the other fat bikes I've ridden feel so clunky. Pretty stoked!

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