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Kona Hei Hei What BB Spindle to fit Non Compact Crank?

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Hey Y'all.

My trusty kona hei hei lives on covered porch hooked to a trainer. Is crusted with salt but doing fine.

The middle ring along with big rings are toast again and rather than buy more rings with unusual bcd I'd like to swap the crank. Hopefully someone has experience with this exact frame and can tell me what works.

The bike is still sporting a forged Sugino Impel triple crank with compact gearing (22/34/42). The middle ring is toast, big ring has got some bent teeth. Rather than find another ring I've got some other non-compact cranks with different bcd and good rings that I'd like to swap on.

I tried putting an old road crank but it seemed to sit too close and the 53 ring wouldn't clear the chainstay.

I've got a nice shimano mtb triple crank 26/36/46 to try next, is listed as needing 107-113mm bb for correct chainline. Is that going to fit?

From how tight the current compact gearing fits I'm wondering if this frame perhaps requires a compact crank?

There's a retrobike kona catalog from 1994 shows the bike with a slightly different sugino crank:

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But then the usa catalog from 1994 (the one I read before buying the frame) shows the bike with an m900 xtr.That xtr is 107-113mm bb spindle too, so I should be good? Then I look at the parts list at the back of the usa 1994 catalog it shows all xtr except for a kss chromoly bb (same as the hot.)

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There's no spindle lengths in the catalog. Perhaps I can deduce what works.

A) kula: un71 + deore xt
B) hot:kss chromoly + deore xt
C) hei hei kss chromoly, xtr

D) A - B -> un71 ~= kss chromoly
E) C - B -> deore xt ~= xtr

D & E -> un71 works with xtr?

So I went and tried the mtn triple with current bb and the rings hit the chainstay. Could be my current bb spindle is too short, but seems like I'm going to need to push those rings out to fit and that will hose chainline?

Anyone rocking a hei hei with non-compact crank? What bb spindle length is working for you? Thanks!
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Scribe a mark on the bottom of the BB exactly in the middle of the shell. Use a square and a ruler and measure to the centerline of the middle ring with the cranks you are hoping to run. You are shooting for 47.5 to 49mm. Add or subtract spindle length from whatever is currently installed to get your middle ring in that range.
For example, say you have a 107mm BB currently installed and with your new cranks your chain line measures 46mm. If you go to a 113mm spindle both crank arms move out by 3mm and your chain line ends up at 49mm.
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Scribe a mark on the bottom of the BB exactly in the middle of the shell. Use a square and a ruler and measure to the centerline of the middle ring with the cranks you are hoping to run. You are shooting for 47.5 to 49mm. Add or subtract spindle length from whatever is currently installed to get your middle ring in that range.
For example, say you have a 107mm BB currently installed and with your new cranks your chain line measures 46mm. If you go to a 113mm spindle both crank arms move out by 3mm and your chain line ends up at 49mm.
Thank you for dialing in some sense to my thinking. Bunch of stuff I didn't know, now I do. I think the thing that confused me was failing so hard to fit the road crank.

1) Road cranks don't fit but that is a totally different thing from fitting mtb cranks to an old mtb. Chainstay bend is just too extreme to fit those big road rings, would need a 140+ spindle before they'd clear the frame and then the front derailleur wouldn't reach the big ring. With 123 spindle the road 42t hit but then the 53 would hit too.

2) The old hei hei is nothing compact specific, it is the spindle length that must match the crank so that chainline is correct (47.5 on this bike.)

3) Cluster of damages:
a) BB shell was 73 instead of 68, so barely installable. Not sure what I was thinking when I put it in. Not relevant to spindle length but sheesh. It did survive 6 years on trainer.
b) Spindle was 123 so chainline was >55. New crank was way outside, fd couldn't reach big ring.
c) Got a 107/68 bb for $5 at bike recyclery, works with impel but ~3mm clearance, 43 chainline, the 107 works with new crank with great clearance and 47.5 chainline.

No issues at all, no special magic required except that: bb must match what crank wants!

edit: found official Kona answer here, which is 110. i think it means frame is a bit compact specific, the standard 107 bb spindle for the crank is a bit short for official amount of clearance.


I did several 1200 watt bursts and no rub so I think the 107 is fine for trainer.
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