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I'm copying Paul's (the sorcerer's) information, since this deserves a new thread.

For those not going to the Downieville gathering (isn't it still snowing there anyway?) or the U23 road race nationals in Bend, Oregon, this could be a fun adventure:

Start/Finish: Hunting Hollow

It is almost time for another 10k ride in Coe around the Summer Solstice. Consider the UVR en Coe and a wheels rolling time of 6:30am on June 26. Come early enough to get set up and get a route sheet. No maps will be posted on the internet. Possession of the park map is essential.

If you need to ask what to bring, you shouldn't try this. Don't forget to bring a light in case of a finish in darkness, if you are going. Remember $6 for parking or your pass.

As usual, the complete route will be in slight excess of 10k of climbing and up to 50 miles in length, and expect the unusual.

2010's Coe 10k:
A Rustic Jouney in Coe

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50 mi?

JL de Jong said:
I'm copying Paul's (the sorcerer's) information, since this deserves a new thread.

For those not going to the Downieville gathering (isn't it still snowing there anyway?) or the U23 road race nationals in Bend, Oregon, this could be a fun adventure:

Start/Finish: Hunting Hollow

It is almost time for another 10k ride in Coe around the Summer Solstice. Consider the UVR en Coe and a wheels rolling time of 6:30am on June 26. Come early enough to get set up and get a route sheet. No maps will be posted on the internet. Possession of the park map is essential.

If you need to ask what to bring, you shouldn't try this. Don't forget to bring a light in case of a finish in darkness, if you are going. Remember $6 for parking or your pass.

As usual, the complete route will be in slight excess of 10k of climbing and up to 50 miles in length, and expect the unusual.

2010's Coe 10k:
A Rustic Jouney in Coe
In Coe? In June? Wowzers

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Yes this is definitely on. I promise to post some more details later this week. You can email me at (all one word, no spaces) coe liason @ romp . org to ask for the real skinny. There are special camping arrangements available for Friday night and the Saturday evening, and special Sunday activities planned. You may also try to PM me on mtbr (I am not familiar with mtbr pm's but I will start checking).

For this rendition of the 10k we are officially meeting and starting at the Coyote Creek Gate, and not Hunting Hollow. The meet time is 6:30 am, and the actual wheels rolling time is 7:00 am for Saturday June 26. I say meet time at 6:30 so that you aim for that, and are ready to ride at 7:00. If you are not at Coyote Creek Gate at 7:00am you will miss the roll out and the map/cue sheet. It will not be published on the internet (a tradition).

Riders who are serious about doing the entire ride need to bring a water filter, a good park map, and a light, in addition to the usual stuff like water and food, and so on. We usually stick together most of the time, and take breaks, but there is no reason why someone can't mosey along off the back, or just punch it out on a long solo mission. If it is as hot as I expect it to be, occassionally getting fully immersed in water is something I find neccessary for survival. The ride always goes by places to soak or swim periodically.

I will carry a State Park radio and be able to contact Centcom in the event of an emergency. Staff will be informed of the ride taking place.


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More info about this year's Coe 10k, Rustic Journey

As you may have heard, there is a tradition of training up for and then doing any number of long hard bike rides in this world. In Henry W Coe we have a tradition of trying to do a long ride around the longest day, and call it the Coe 10k. It means over 10,000 feet of cumulative altitude in a single ride. Every year the course is different and the exact details are not given out until ride morning.

[Yes a lot of people do rides over 10k in Coe and other places. This ride is nothing special. In terms of effort, it is equivalent to a hilly road century.]

The ride starts, this time, with a meet time of 6:30 am, so as to be ready, wheels rolling a 7:00am. It is not a race. In fact, the pace is fairly relaxed, or at least as relaxed as it can be, when just moving forward at all, up the steep hills, takes all you've got. Sometimes it gets a bit warm.

This year on Saturday the 26th we meet at the Coyote Creek Gate at the east end of the Gilroy Hot Springs Road. The ride starts at 7:00am. Riders should have a recent park map, a light (in case of having to ride in darkness after the sun goes down), and a water filter, and the usual stuff, like food etc. There is no sag, safety net, or hand holding. If you do not love Coe, forget it. The ride will be around 50 miles long.

Okay, I usually do not post so much about this ride, but my hand has been forced by being outed on mtbr and also more significantly, we are going to have camping, under special conditions at Gilroy Hot Springs. So below are a couple of messages for those who are interested. If you want to camp, you have to RSVP to me.

The Coe Mountain Bike Patrol and regular Coe Trail Work Volunteers are being recognized for their service by being invited to camp for free. We maintain the trails. In some respects, we maintain the trails for the running of the 10k each year.

This year's 10k (for a sample), the Rustic Journey, starts with these trails: Coit Rd > Mahoney > Lost Spring > Poverty Flat Rd > Jack Ass > Blue Ridge > Black Oak > Rock House > Narrows > Willow RIdge > Hoover > White Tank > Pacheco Camp ......



This message goes out to mountain bikers who are doing the 10k, and to people who would actively support, through volunteer activity, initiative, and donations, the preservation, honor, and enjoyment of the Gilroy Hot Springs.

This year, on a Full Moon, the Coe 10k and a camp-out a Gilroy Hot Springs converge. This is an event of note. I have taken a personal interest in Gilroy Hot Springs (GHS) which I want to communicate to you. As you know, the place has taken a beating in the last decade, and it is tragic. The place needs good society. In my view, the GHS area is the most significant cultural site in the expanse of Coe park.

Since the estate of the GHS came into the protection of California State Parks in 2003, the area has suffered much neglect and vandalism. In 2007, a group called the Friends of Gilroy Hot Springs (FOGHS) formed under the wing of the Pine Ridge Association to reestablish public use, preserve historic structures, re-install utilities, and document and interpret the story of the Gilroy Hot Springs.

Camping is allowed by special permission on this weekend only, on Friday and Saturday evening. You must RSVP directly to me by email by next Monday evening, 6/21 to get on the guest list. Please do not simply head on down there.

As a way of thanking you for your service, Coe Mountain Bike Patrol and regular Coe Trail Work Volunteers are invited to enjoy camping for free. However, I do encourage everyone, especially the patrol and Trail Workers, to join FOGHS (even if they are, and they should be, members of the PRA). An individual membership is $35, and a family is $50. We'll have brochures for you.

Others may come and camp, but it is going to cost $75 for Saturday night. This is a fund raiser after-all. If you want to come just for the $75 camp (and no 10K) let me know and I will hook you up.

On Sunday we are asked to volunteer at least an hour to help the GHS. You may join with me surveying a couple of trail projects. These trails are actually historic paths, and are not for mountain-biking. I will not be doing any actual construction on Sunday, but will be planning, measuring, and recording.

Chris and I work up in Cupertino and will be coming down on Friday evening, and I expect not being able to get there until around 8:00 pm.

Below is a message from FOGHS. At the end it asks for RSVP to FOGHS, but for you, please RSVP to me, and I will pass along the list to FOGHS. So far, all I have confirmed are Brian W., Jim W. and Anne, and Chris V. and myself. Let me know if you want to come as soon as you can. I am very busy.

I will be in Coe park all weekend on other business, so I will not get back to email until Monday.

If you want to come earlier on Friday the 25th, it is probably possible, especially if you would like to help set things up a bit. Let me know. Right now I do not know how many people are coming to camp, but I expect a small number. Same for the 10k.

With your email RSVP please give the licence plate number of the vehicle you are bringing. Thank you. Bike patrol, please display your volunteer placard at GHS.

Without further ado, here's the message from FOGHS below my sign-off.


This message is sent to you because you expressed an interest in Gilroy Hot Springs night photography, camping, and volunterring.

Yes! It's a "Go"! We have permission to camp on site *and* set up a temporary soaking tank for mineral water!

Please see more info at the website:
All campers subject to CA State Parks rules & regulations. Participation is voluntary and each camper is responsible for his/her own safety and welfare.
Public invited -- although space is limited: Registration fee required.
Active PRA & FOGHS members & volunteers - donation only.
Arrival after 1 p.m. Friday & departure 4 pm Sunday. We'll need help picking up supplies and clean-up afterwards -- anyone have a small truck?

What kind of volunteer work will we do?
- some weed & brush clean-up. If you have garden tools, please bring them;
- set-up, maintain, & tear-down temporary soaking tank, (includes p/u materials);
- night photography
- fire watch, vandal deterrant
- clean-up after Camp-Out

This first Camp-Out is low-key, easy volunteer work.
All money raised from registration fees goes toward protection, preservation & restoration expenses. Donations welcome. We're looking at $80,000 to cover basic needs for the Camp Host site (plumbed water, tank, septic system, cement platform). And we have a great deal of work required to keep the site FireSafe -- clearing 10 feet around each building including overhanging branches.

About camping on site: Chemical toilet with tank of non-drinkable water. No cell phone reception. Ticks, Mosquitos, Rattle snakes.
Bring your own equipment (no generators, please). Bring your own food & water (mineral water on site not recommended for drinking).

Why come: It's exciting!! It's only us ( and a few of Paul Nam's good friends )!
It's a full moon! It's a mineral-soak opportunity (legally).

Friday, June 25th through Sunday June 27th.
Gilroy Yamato Hot Springs, Gilroy, CA

RSVP via email or phone:
Full Name(s)
mailing (physical) address
Tools you can bring:
Talents & experience.
Professional photographers are subject to an additional State Parks usage fee.
Amateur photographers -- may we have permission to use your images at no cost?
Does anyone want to organize a group meal or other Food? (i.e.: solicit & pick-up donations)

Misc info:
We don't yet have clearance with CA Parks or CDForestry regarding open fire. We expect the response will be negative, but we're requesting permission to use a Fire Pit -- which might be available via CA Parks. Plan on gas camp stoves, not wood-burning fires or bbq. Or eat PBJ sandwiches... :)

Laura Dominguez-Yon
Friends of Gilroy Hot Springs
info @ FriendsOfGilroyHotSprings . org
Professional photographers are subject to an additional State Parks usage fee.
Amateur photographers -- may we have permission to use your images at no cost?
Does anyone want to organize a group meal or other Food? (i.e.: solicit & pick-up donations)

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um, I would pay the $75 just to camp at the hot springs and help the FOGHS raise some funds. Way cool.


I'm a "she".
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Charlie's training ride

I hope it's okay to post into this thread because this is about Charlie's training ride for the thread bearing "rustic 10k" event. Just like last time, he sent an invite to a list of friends stating "the route should be long and miserable"; but unlike last time when more than a dozen people responded to his calling, only three invitees, Patrick, Erik, and me, showed up this time. I don't understand why.

It could have been only Patrick though. At 10:16 PM on Friday, I sent out this email to them: "We partied too late and just got home. Dead tired, but nothing is ready yet,... Oh well, please count us out." At 3:45am, Erik woke up to do his usual mid-sleep chore, which disturbed and awoke me. A conversation began. "Should we go to Coe?" "Yeah, it would be nice to do the ride, but I haven't gotten enough sleep yet." "Or, we can sleep in and go to Saratoga Gap. There is a Santa Cruz bike demo there today." "Let's go ride at Coe." "Bike demos are hard to come by. Let's hit Saratoga Gap." "It's already too late to get up now. There is no way we can get everything ready and be at Hunting Hollow by 7am." Through the conversation the light on the night stand was turned on, off, on again, and off again. Just when we were about to go back to sleep, the cats jumped into bed and started walking on us. It was 4:20am when I was driven out of the bed, and found this email reply in my Inbox from Patrick, "Some serious lack of kitten love this weekend! Charlie and I will do our best to save them all!"

Almost 20 hours later, at midnight when we were still driving home, Erik and I sounded like a broken record, albeit a tired one. "I'm glad that we got up and made the ride." "That was great ride. I'm glad that we made it."... What had made the ride so memorable? Oh, where do I even begin?

-- We had two pinch flats on the ride. Charlie got one on White Tank Spring Trail. Obviously, he was hauling mail down that trail, an indication of the mad success of our trailwork last week. But when we stood around, Erik had to bring up that I said the reason he (Erik) got flats often was his lack of good riding skills. Did he not know that Marriage Rule Number One is bedroom talks are not to be made public? Anyone who knows us can understand that it was a joke, but that just made it more embarrassing for me when I got a flat half way down Tule Pond Trail. I would say I fixed it pretty fast with the assistance of Charlie and Patrick while Erik rode/pushed up half of the trail to look for us, but it was 8:20pm when my wheels rolled again, simply too late for a flat!

-- Two incidents of chain sucks when the chain fell into the spokes. One happened to Charlie and one happened to Erik. Luckily, neither caused serious damage.

-- Two bent (or almost bent) derailleur hangers. One huge stick miraculously worked its way into Charlie's chain/cassette. It had all the power to break the derailleur or bend the hanger, but Charlie broke it first without much effort. the other time, I made some superwomanly powerful move and rode right into Erik's derailleur. That did bend it, but he managed to bend it "back" enough to finish the ride. The damage was visible when he took the bike apart the next day, when we also found that his bottom bracket had been half seized up.

-- Imagine riding down the steepest trail you've ever ridden with one eye closed and the other half closed. Now, that's probably how it felt to Charlie when he came down Middle Steer Ridge trail (one of the steepest descents at Coe). About this, he has written, "To explain, descending Middle Steer Ridge Trail in heavy winds, tall grass obscuring the trail, and increasing darkness, my left contact lens dried up and fell out. It was surreal riding in fuzzy darkness. We had very bright quarter moon thankfully."

If you are about to shed some tears over the mishaps we had "unfortunately" experienced, thank you but please stop. "That which does not kill me makes me stronger." You see, we are all much stronger now... maybe except Patrick, since he was mishap-free all day.

-- Of course, I don't know if Patrick could, or should, get even more stronger. He cleaned ALL the ride-able climbs on the entire ride, including Anza-Jackson (his first!), the steeps on Dog Trail and Dutch's Trail, and Serpentine at the end of the day! We were all utterly impressed. The sacrifice he had to make was he had to ride by a balloon on the side of the trail half way up Serpentine, but it turned out to be a god send for Erik when he needed a break.

-- Speak of breaks...When we took a break (not the first one) at the Hoover Air-strip, I asked if it was our lunch break, or we would break again for lunch. Charlie looked at me as if the question surprised him, "We'll be taking breaks all day. We ride in between breaks." That's indeed how it was as Patrick has summarized, "8 hours riding time + 6 hours sitting by creeks, waterfalls, on ridges and generally soaking in the Coe atmosphere (and picking grass out of our socks)."

-- I enjoyed every moment of the ride, but what stood out for Erik was the back country adventures. We got on some obscure (aka fun) trails. For example, on Dog Trail, When a straight line up a steep hillside looked impassable, we elected to explore a side path that circumvented the knoll. We ended up carrying our bikes bushwhacking cross-country and uphill. On Phoneline trail, despite the guidance of yellow ribbons, there was still mandatory pushing through tunnels and snaking around Poison Oak bushes. These things no doubt slowed our pace down, but they sure kept the mystery and excitement going.

-- The most peculiar thing for us all though was the sighting of people pulling two-wheeled hand carts in costume and high spirits. We first saw them at Pacheco Camp and they cheerfully waved at us, and we saw them go by (after having heard their still cheerful voices) when we took a long break by the creek below Kaiser Aetna Road. Later when we passed by Pacheco Camp the second time, we learned from our trailwork buddy Rob that those were Mormon yoots.

-- Our ride turned out to be about 50 miles (>10k' ascent). My GPS ran out of battery shortly before I got back to the car, but that was no biggie because we had plenty of equipments on our ride as you can see from: Charlie's MTBguru report and Patrick's Plus3Network report. My almost-complete track was also uploaded to Garmin connect, Plus3Network, and MTBguru. (Why all 3 sites?) From Charlie's report, you can also see (and envy) what nice weather we had been blessed with.

-- We thought we were lucky to make it back in the moonlight without a light. Brian (knobs) rolled in minutes later. All five of us gathered at Denny's to trade our tales and laughs, even though those laughs may have sounded a bit tired.

Charlie had warned us that he would leave his camera at home. I know, big disappointment! But Patrick had taken some great shots with his. So, keep your appetite up because his pictures will not disappoint. Below are some pictures I found in my camera, many of which were taken under the urge of Charlie, "did you take some pictures of that???"

Charlie coming up Jackson Trail.

Bike demo. Brands: Specialized and Titus. Location: Kelly Lake, Henry Coe.

When I asked why anybody would drag a cart around all day, Erik replied, "for the same reason why we ride our bikes around all day."

Erik (back) and Charlie (front) descending Dog Trail with Patrick at the bottom.

We didn't take that trail straight up the knoll, and ended up bush whacking.

For the completeness of this document, this is what we did during many of our breaks.

Charlie: Is the trail here, or here, or there? Hmmm... I think I'm lost...

charlie: Ha, I found the trail! It goes this way...

How did the stick get itself in like this???

Could not have asked for better weather than this.

Charlie and Erik on the skyline.

More of my photos can be found in my alum.

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For the (almost) longest day of the year, Skyline35 and I planned a long ride in Coe, with the goal of training up for the Rustic Journey ride and saving some kittens along the way. Mudworm and Mudncrud had bailed late Saturday evening but as I left US-101 to drive to Hunting Hollow at the inhuman hour of 6:45am, I came up on a Honda that I knew instantly as the mudworm-mobile! Sweet, we would have a gang of four!

We were rolling by 7:30am and rolled back into Hunting Hollow by 9:30pm under moonlight. In between, there was much adventure but most importantly, we covered 50 miles, climbed a few hundred feet over 10K (kittens rescued from evil deities) and spent 8 hours in the saddle. We had 2 flats, 2 bent rear derailleurs and a lost contact lens!

We came up on a wild boar which took off terrified when we startled it! Also the usual array of deer, birds, turkeys (at Turkey Pond, no less!). We had several quintessential Coe off-trail experiences (or, more correctly, ribbon searches).

I can finally lay my nemesis climb to bed and claim a clean climb of Anza-Jackson - after riding Coe for 2 years almost to the day, finally the pressure is off!

New bike parking at Kelly Lake!!

Mudworm clears a stepup on Kelly Cabin Canyon

Skyline35 celebrates the top of Kelly Cabin Canyon

The weirdest sight was at Pacheco Camp, where there were many young Mormons being given appreciation for what their ancestors had to go through by hauling carts all the way to Dowdy Ranch! We saw these kids later in the day on Kaiser-Aetna road and they were still laughing and happy - freaks!

Up Pacheco Creek Trail to the biggest adventure of the day, Dog Trail. After a tough climb, we tried to go around a knoll but found that there was no trail there; mudncrud led the way through the burned out brush until we found the trail again.

Mudworm and Skyline35 reach the top of the big Dog Trail climb

Searching for the trail

We had some fun on Dog Trail too..

The length of the grass all throughout Coe is now a nuisance! It was winding itself around our cassettes, getting in our socks, hiding the trail and (from my previous ride with Plymmer) making me worry about the potential for rattlesnakes!

We eventually got to Dutch's and had a blast on it..

Hole in the Rock falls was cool - my first time there and must return earlier next spring to see it in full flow. There are some good sized fish swimming around in it!

The long Kaiser-Aetna climb was .. well.. long! And followed immediately by a long County Line Rd climb.

But getting to the top felt good

Mudworm and I were intent on saving kittens and somehow convinced the group to grind up Serpentine. Our reward was a beautiful sunset at the top.

Of course, the problem with viewing sunset on Wilson Peak is that you still have to get down and we didn't bring lights! We scrambled down Middle Steer Ridge as fast as we dared given we had nothing but moonlight to guide our way.

My longest ride yet in Coe and definitely one of the most memorable!

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My solo "prep" ride...

The day started out feeling very lazy, I thought perhaps I might spend the entire day searching the web for the world's funniest vuvuleza joke. But somehow by 1pm I managed to find myself at Hunting Hollow, I felt like taking a nap in the parking lot.

Not feeling energetic at Coe, that's a recipe for a bad ride. So I thought I'd ride the easy way up, Coit Road to Mahoney Meadows. A nappy head is good I guess since that turned into a middle ring climb. Poof. That hill was gone with little notice. By that time I'm feeling my Wheaties and I decide it's okay to do a longer ride, so Middle Ridge became my destination.

Obvious I didn't plan on this longer effort from the start. I was carrying 60 ounces of water, just a single powerbar and a banana, no light. This lack of preparation might be considered important, especially solo at Coe. But it was not hot, and I was not hungry, and there was a half moon already on the rise.

Along Mahoney Meadows, I stopped at an overlook for the little Mahoney Pond. There was a "Good Job on Graduation" balloon floating near the shore, for which I was obliged to collect. I don't know if anyone is keeping count, but my guess is that amongst friends we've collected two dozen balloons from the park this year.

That balloon led me to another discovery: Dragonflies. In RGB! There were red, green, and blue dragonflies, along with some whites, golds, and clear ones. There were fish in the pond, flinging their bodies out of the water to catch dragonflies. An Anise Swallowtail was floating nearby. It was a wildlife party, and I was invited. There was no way I was going to leave in the next hour. I lost track of time.

Sometime later that afternoon, I managed to find my way back to my bike and my orginal plan. Rolling down China Hole trail was fun. The trail work that we did in April is holding up well. The banked turn that I added near a small drainage crossing has firmed up and functioned exactly as I intended. (excuse my self ata-boy) It was a blast knowing that feature was coming, and railable, regardless of invisibility from tall grass.

Finally, I got to China Hole. Since there was the chance that I brushed against some poison oak on the descent, I went into the water for a rinse. The water is still running, with good volume for late June, and the hole is clear, with very little muck in the water. As I stood there, knee deep in the warm water, something was tickling my feet. There were fish, little one to two inch starters, and they were hungry. Easily they numbered in the thousands. This made me giddy. This on top of the dragonfly lollapalooza? I love Coe.

Eventually it was back on the bike. This is how I trick myself to do longer rides: I tell myself I'll decide to take the shorter route, but will re-evaluate at the next intersection. I thought I might take Cougar instead of the entire Middle Ridge loop, but at the time I got there I still had lots of energy, and the top of Cougar was looking over grown with Chamise. So at that point I commited to doing the full Middle Ridge loop, at which point I also noticed that it was getting late, so I had to curtail the nature studies.

I cranked up the hill, right to Flat Frog Trail, then up Hobbs road, skipping the single track at Flat Frog pond and continued up the hill. I heard today that Flat Frog is filled with thousands of little frogs. That would have been cool to see, but I might still be in Coe today if it kept up the way it was going.

While the lollapalooza didn't turn into a rave, the rest of the ride was close, it's own form of extacy. Descending Middle Ridge was cool in the sideways lighting. By the time I closed the loop at China Hole, it was 8pm. Sunset at 8:30, and 9(ish) miles to go. Lets just say I didn't linger, and you know when you see your shadow in the moonlight that the sun is down. Even without a bike light, it was fine to make out the safe line down the hill, but I could not go as fast as I would have liked. As motiviation, the temps were dropping as the altitude dropped.

I got back to Hunting Hollow at 10:15. Charlie, Patrick, Mei, and Eric were there, having finished an even longer ride. We chatted, then decided to get a recovery meal at Dennys in Gilroy. It was fun trading tales of the day.

[A few more photos are in my gallery here:]
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