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I did not. I am on the much more humble Waltworks waiting list as I write this. I actually emailed him about some bars I purchased recently and he sent these back with the reply. He is usually more than happy to converse with anyone, I am curious how many people are on a 2 year waiting list. As in, how many frames can he build in a month do you think?

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Did you just stick your name on the wait list too?

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I think that he plans on one frame per month. As of last weekend at Sea Otter he has stopped taking any new orders and the list is currently 2 yrs out.

I took this very bike for a quick pedal around the venue. Talk about a devil and angel on your shoulders. Devil: "SPLIT! Take the shortcut behind the concession stand and you'll be gone". Angel: "Don't do it!.....straight out the main entrance is faster!"

so so pretty and feels like a wonderful, warm, wet dream. :eek:
 

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So is this how he markets himself? By Badgering people with juicily detailed photographic pornographic emails? (read heavy sarcasm here folks. we seem to be too literal lately)

I know some don't like his style, and that's fine. They don't ahve to get on a 2 year wait list. I love his organic shapes. Very fluid. Creative to say the least.
 

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I know some don't like his style, and that's fine. They don't ahve to get on a 2 year wait list. I love his organic shapes. Very fluid. Creative to say the least.
I'm hoping that the wait is like 3 years so I have time to fill the coffee can.

HW- what's this about titus making his h-bars?

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I think that's Titec, not Titus? At least it was last time I heard about it.

On marketing : I thinkt he Jones buyers are all doing it to themselves. At some point they email Jeff, and then get that sort of pictures for free. Watch out to give Jeff your snailmail address. For the sake of your marriage, just don't, trust me on that one.

It does look like Jeff could sell "dozens" more frames than he does now, if he had help. But even with the very highest skilled builder, would they still be Jones'?

I was one of the MANY people that emailed him the past week, and he're some comments :

(start of email-interview)

Me :BIG respect for the telescopic chain stays you came up with, looks very clean! Are they easy to adjust, or does it take a trick? How much adjustment is there?

Jeff :It’s easy to adjust. It’s a bit like adjusting a bike with horizontal dropouts. There is .25” +- adjustment which is enough to have any ss gear combination. It’s the same amount of fore and aft adjustment that you get from an EBB.
When I’m asked about the lack of an upper pivot I use the moots YBB and an example of how this works. My chain stay is a bit like an upside down YBB.
It saves 150 grams to 200 grams compared to an ebb.
So far it is working great.


Me : I wonder how you like the bikes yourself, is that a 60mm offset fork, and if so what's the head angle? I wonder how that would ride, and if it would feel floppy or not.

Jeff :Not floppy at all. It is the best technical riding bike I’ve ever ridden. The trail is 74mm. That is less than most mtbs. It is very stable yet quick handling. Since the front wheel is out further in front It is almost imposable to endo this bike and the shock from the front end is greatly reduced since I’m not right on top of the front wheel like on a bike with a steep head angle and small fork off set. I feel no need for a shock. It’s nice not having any ‘dive’ while braking.

The front tubes on the fork are smaller than before and therefore it’s a little more compliant. The fork weight is 640 grams and it is very strong with much less fore and aft flex than a normal rigid or sus fork.

The short 16.4”/417mm chain stay keeps my center of gravity back where I want it for good traction on steep technical standing climbs and allows me to keep the front end light over the rough stuff. This reduces the shock my hands and arms feel even more.

The bike also has an effective 71.5 degree seat tube angle to keep my weight back and the wheel base from getting too long. This would be impossible with a normal “small rake” fork because of toe overlap problems

The stand over height is 24.4” / 622mm. Lower is always a good thing. I can really move around freely on this bike. Getting on and off is very easy too.

The vertical compliance is very noticeable on this bike. I can stay seated over bumps that would normally make me stand.

The lateral stiffness is excellent.

Remember this bike was made for ME and how I ride. I build each bike to be what each rider needs for how and where they ride.

This bike is exactly what I want and need for what I do.


Me : Lucky you, you got to first try out 29" bikes by demo'ng those bought from you by paying customers to make the ultimate bike for yourself. Or would you be tempted to selling that bike?

Jeff : Yes. It is nice to ride all the bikes I build. It allows for faster evolution of my designs and geometry. I learn something new with every bike I build.

I like this bike too much to sell it. When I make a new bike for myself maybe I will.


Me : Can you live with those Exiwolfs? I've never tried them, but from what I've seen of your riding, they seem to suit your riding style best? And 29" overall, does it work for you, despite the SLOW Exiwolfs?

Jeff : They are heavy but my bike is still light and they don’t feel slow to me just heavy. I used 2.1 light Bonty tires at the Sea Otter XC race. They were much lighter but I’m not sure they were “faster” I was bouncing and sliding more with them. With the Exiwolf tires I have a smoother and most likely a more efficient ride. Sometimes I think people interpret a smooth ride for being slow and a bumpy stiff feel for speed and efficiency.

I really like the Exiwolf tires especially on the wide WTB rims.

29” and fat tires with low psi = great traction!


Me : Last question, well almost : how does the 2x4spd work out for you? You picked larger gear gaps than I probably would, but how did they work out for you? It looks like you'd only use the 22t front ring for the absolute granny gear, as the others cogs only overlap with those on the 32t? 5 VERY widely spread gears? Hmmm, interesting...

Jeff : It works very well. I use a King ss hub with the 4 speed cassett set at a normal 9 speed spacing. I can use Thumbies or STI shifters. The 0 dish wheel is much stronger than a 9 speed hub wheel would be and I can use lighter spokes since they are under less stress.

The chain line is excellent in every gear and the shifting is very good.

It’s nice to ride without shifting all the time like with a 27 speed bike.

I stay in the 32 front ring most of the time. Right now my bike is set up as a 4 speed without the front derailleur or small ring.

I should have a titanium 4 speed cassette available soon, made just for this application.

My lowest gear is 20x32 and my fastest gear is 32x12. The front small ring is a new 20t ring made of 6/4 titanium.


Me : If you have time, why don't you review and/or answer to my numerous Q's on your new bike on the forum? Otherwise I'll gladly post it for you. Or maybe a review from one of your customers. It's not really like it's spam, as you're currently not taking order, right? Your stuff gets a lot of raving responses on the forum, just from pics alone.

Jeff : You're right I’m not really taking any new orders because I’m so booked up and these bikes are slow to build.

I’ve spent the last 2 days just answering emails. I just want to build and ride. ;-)>

Thanks for seeing my bikes for what they are and not just thinking that I'm building something weird to be weird. Everything I do have a reason. I just to want to build the best performing bikes I can.

(End of interview)


So now don't all go emailing Jef about the Ti 4spd cassette, the man wants to ride his new bike. when he gets them in, and is ready to share info, some lucky (or miserable, whichever way you look at it) folks will hear about it in their email, and post it within seconds on this forum.

I'm now especially intrigued by those SIXHUNDREDANDFORTYGRAMS forks, especially reading his comments on them. So many tubes, yet so light, and judging from the pictures, plenty strong for larger drops. Oh man....I've never seen a Jones 29"er in the flesh, but I can SO see how Hollywood's description of the ride is right on...
 

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Okay, so this is what a skillful builder ends up with, form following function. Try to imagine the result if it were done the other way around...
 

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lanpope said:
OK seriously...This HAS to stop...my marriage can not handle another bike purchase...especially one that costs that much

I love it...must fight it...I hate it...liar

LP
Don't worry Pope, I think Jeff is not accepting any new orders for bikes right now. His waiting list is up to 2 years at the moment. So you and your marraige are safe... for at least 2 years that is. ;)
 

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Jeff :It?s easy to adjust. It?s a bit like adjusting a bike with horizontal dropouts. There is .25? +- adjustment which is enough to have any ss gear combination. It?s the same amount of fore and aft adjustment that you get from an EBB.
Not to dis on JJ and his fantastic design and workmanship (and I've seen the man ride, and boy can he ride!) but my mind is stuck on this one point:

In order to be able to use any SS gear combination, you need 0.5" of adjustment, not 0.25". EBBs vary (and some don't quite allow you to use all possible combinations), but most give you about 1/2" or so. Even the shorter old-style horizontal road dropouts give you 1/2", and most track fork ends give a full inch of adjustment.
 

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GlowBoy said:
In order to be able to use any SS gear combination, you need 0.5" of adjustment, not 0.25". EBBs vary (and some don't quite allow you to use all possible combinations), but most give you about 1/2" or so. Even the shorter old-style horizontal road dropouts give you 1/2", and most track fork ends give a full inch of adjustment.
I thought he said there was 0.25in IN and 0.25in OUT.

Therefore - oh, heck, you can do the sums :)
 
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