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Just a reminder that hikers and runner occasionally do use Cinderella. Rather surprisingly when going down yesterday, I first ran into two women running up Cinderella (fortunately, I was able to stop before them so they could continue by without having to stop or get pushed out of the way) and then on the new lower section, a man walking two dogs up. Both were courteous and said hello, but keep in mind that there are occasionally people walking on the trail.

As to the three asshats who decided to bomb down Palos Colorados after Big Trees, shame on you. It was 6:00 in the afternoon, there were hikers that saw you head down, and it is impossible to miss the sign that says "no bikes". Its not like the guys were out of technical challenges, my 10 year old had to slow down going down Big Trees because they weren't going fast enough.
 

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Just a reminder that hikers and runner occasionally do use Cinderella. Rather surprisingly when going down yesterday, I first ran into two women running up Cinderella (fortunately, I was able to stop before them so they could continue by without having to stop or get pushed out of the way) and then on the new lower section, a man walking two dogs up. Both were courteous and said hello, but keep in mind that there are occasionally people walking on the trail.

As to the three asshats who decided to bomb down Palos Colorados after Big Trees, shame on you. It was 6:00 in the afternoon, there were hikers that saw you head down, and it is impossible to miss the sign that says "no bikes". Its not like the guys were out of technical challenges, my 10 year old had to slow down going down Big Trees because they weren't going fast enough.
Thanks for the stern reprimand. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy getting bossed around by some dude on the interwebs.
 

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Just a reminder that hikers and runner occasionally do use Cinderella. Rather surprisingly when going down yesterday, I first ran into two women running up Cinderella (fortunately, I was able to stop before them so they could continue by without having to stop or get pushed out of the way) and then on the new lower section, a man walking two dogs up. Both were courteous and said hello, but keep in mind that there are occasionally people walking on the trail.

As to the three asshats who decided to bomb down Palos Colorados after Big Trees, shame on you. It was 6:00 in the afternoon, there were hikers that saw you head down, and it is impossible to miss the sign that says "no bikes". Its not like the guys were out of technical challenges, my 10 year old had to slow down going down Big Trees because they weren't going fast enough.
I thought this was pretty cool.

First we get a reminder that other folk use the trails in places where we often ride at speed. And folks were courteous. It has taken 27 years to create that since we were first banned from that park. It is proof that it can be done.

Next Cary reveals that some guys just don't get it. It is no-brainer that riding closed trails is not encouraged. I like to think that this is a reprimand for doing it in front of so many people at the busiest time of usage and being just plain stupid. ;)
 

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For some reason lots of people think that bombing any and all trails at JMP during an after work hammer session or on a Saturday afternoon is a cool and safe way to burn off some steam.

For better or worse, there are more and more users at JMP now than ever (been riding there since I moved to the Bay Area from the Cruz in 2003). It only takes one or two near injury experiences (to either yourself or said hikers/runners) before most sane riders will realize that the rush of a PR/KOM attempt is not worth the potential risk at such a popular place as JMP.

Eventually, there will probably need to be more cycling regulations at JMP (ie downhill/uphill only trails, etc) but for now let's take care of our trails and ride them in a way that promotes our use of it.

Sorry for the rant...
 

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I thought this was pretty cool.

First we get a reminder that other folk use the trails in places where we often ride at speed.
COOL!

There's only 2,200 other trails in the bay area left to create a paternalistic thread about.

Please post up regarding;

Annadel

Mount Diablo

Tilden

Rockville

Etc, etc

The masses need herding!
 

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PC above Sinawik is legal. Below it's not. Upper PC @ Big trees is a technical descent that you cant really crawl down. My understanding is that upper PC is to be closed pretty soon.
 

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East Bay riding has little to recommend it if you stay on what has been allowed us but BTCEB studies show that most of the riding done happens in one's local EBRPD Park. The parks are largely proximate locations where we can go out and stay in shape with the rare few yards of something interesting.

The next place people in our area go, at the very top of the list, is JMP. Next are the obvious Marin locations, then Rockville/Skyline/Annadel, then Skeggs/Demo.

JMP is the only place we have to do anything interesting for mountain biking. That includes riding, trail building and maintenance. It is arguably the flashpoint for the beginnings of mtb advocacy in 1987 and has continued to be a very sensitive political circumstance that we have managed to considerable success.

JMP is urban park which it shares with a very large proportion of walkers, runners, and dogs. It does not have the open space of Rockville, Skyline, Annadel, Skeggs, or Demo and requires a special attention. There are other people to herd those areas. JMP is the one we must watch in the East Bay.
 

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As to the three asshats who decided to bomb down Palos Colorados after Big Trees, shame on you. It was 6:00 in the afternoon, there were hikers that saw you head down, and it is impossible to miss the sign that says "no bikes". Its not like the guys were out of technical challenges, my 10 year old had to slow down going down Big Trees because they weren't going fast enough.
Uh, the top part of Palos Colorados, below Big Trees, is bike legal. Or at least it was last time I was there a month ago. That part is a bit tricky but fun.
 

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I was pedaling up to burned out cabin yesterday and saw some dude bombing Cinderella without regard to uphill traffic. He was wearing full face helmet and GOPRO, full long sleeve downhill padded jersey, and matching Downhill long fox pants. And it was hot on the sun side. What a douche! A douche bag. Picture in your mind what that is for. You douche! Many are faster on hard tails in Spandex. Park abuser I say. Off with your head! Anyway, I was Rollin' on the 5 Spot since I was too burned out for the Singlespeed Hardtail after a long work week, and mid week Stinkfist run. Park was pretty busy for mid day (2pm), so I had to use the bike bell waaaaay to much, and yield to joggers/hikers. So I dialed it down a bit, and just had a chill ride, without pissing anyone off. Sometimes you have to slow it down man. Or at least send someone down first to make sure it is cool to bomb. You selfish A-hole whoever you are (or is it whomever?). Save us all a headache and drive your car away from here to ride that style. It was a nice day to get off early, I must say. Just fantastic out there.
 

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I was pedaling up to burned out cabin yesterday and saw some dude bombing Cinderella without regard to uphill traffic. He was wearing full face helmet and GOPRO, full long sleeve downhill padded jersey, and matching Downhill long fox pants.
You're really gonna criticize someones' choice in riding apparel? I'm sure there are faster people out there "on hart tails in Spandex" ......Why knock a guy for trying to protect himself? Just because he's bombing down a trail, doesn't mean he's riding out of control.
 

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I've seen this sort of thing many times when I used to ride at JMP (it's almost too crowded to ride there anymore) - group of riders in full faces / full pads / neon TLD kits - it's fun to pass them down Cinderella or Chaparral on an XC bike when they are skidding on their brakes - not there is anything wrong with having a lot of protection, but chances are anybody who really knows how to ride DH is not going to show up to JMP looking like this - they are usually slow riders, but the main problem is that they usually have no have clue regarding etiquette so they just expect hikers to get out of their way
 

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I thought this was pretty cool.

First we get a reminder that other folk use the trails in places where we often ride at speed. And folks were courteous. It has taken 27 years to create that since we were first banned from that park. It is proof that it can be done.

Next Cary reveals that some guys just don't get it. It is no-brainer that riding closed trails is not encouraged. I like to think that this is a reprimand for doing it in front of so many people at the busiest time of usage and being just plain stupid. ;)

Amen..
 

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That is fair criticism. He could protect himself all he wants.
 

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You're really gonna criticize someones' choice in riding apparel? I'm sure there are faster people out there "on hart tails in Spandex" ......Why knock a guy for trying to protect himself? Just because he's bombing down a trail, doesn't mean he's riding out of control.
Okay, how about this: he looked really cool while behaving like an asshat.

Better?
 

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Okay, how about this: he looked really cool while behaving like an asshat.

Better?
I wasn't disputing that he might in fact be an asshat..... just that ones riding apparel doesn't determine who he is or skill level. Attacking each other on the internet is one reason why mountain bikers don't join together as a group to fight for more access
 

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Fair enough, but, that garb for 200 yards in a crowded urban park shared with hikers and runners makes a curious statement about what is protecting who and what that says about them.
 

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Upper Palos is still open. I actually ride up it (try to) more often than down. I was riding through the park yesterday at the end of my ride and rode past a couple groups of full face/coilover riders. Based on their sloooowww pace, one group was definitely overdressed/biked for big trees. The others were riding/pushing their bikes out Sinewak(sp?) towards Bishop's. They all seemed friendly to me and my riding buddy and yielded to traffic when we came upon them.

As I see it, we are all in this together, so I just assume that when I hit the local trails on the weekend, I dial my supreme wattage down proportionately to the relative ratio of miniature dogs/humans : bikes. :p

Having said that, I do often wonder the choice of trails to hit as a jogger/hiker/dog walker when across the road you have the arguably more beautiful and serene hiker/horse only Fern, French, Chown and other trails.
 

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PC above Sinawik is legal. Below it's not. Upper PC @ Big trees is a technical descent that you cant really crawl down. My understanding is that upper PC is to be closed pretty soon.
Yup, that upper section of Palos is legal and is totally fun to drop into immediately after hitting big trees. Fun yes, easy no.... I'm always apprehensive about pinning it down any of the JMP trails if its anywhere near hiker o'clock. lot of blind corners...
 

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Thanks for the stern reprimand. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy getting bossed around by some dude on the interwebs.
I am so glad I am not you. It would really suck being so miserable that I spent a great deal of my time and energy looking for people to argue with on the internet.

PC above Sinawik is legal. Below it's not. Upper PC @ Big trees is a technical descent that you cant really crawl down. My understanding is that upper PC is to be closed pretty soon.
As of last week there is a big sign at the top of PC saying no bikes. I assume the park put it there as it is a wood sign on 4x4s.
 
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As of last week there is a big sign at the top of PC saying no bikes. I assume the park put it there as it is a wood sign on 4x4s.
I assume this sign is at the entrance of upper PC which is to the left of the information kiosk along skyline dr. ? If they have closed it to bikes in the last 2 weeks, well i told you so.
 
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