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Hey guys I just wanted to know some intel about the new light (Seca?) that they are cooking.. lumens? price expected? LED#? battery? etc?
Thanks!!!!!:D
 

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Looks Niiiicccceee

I have some knowledge of the SECA. A friend just saw the working prototype the other day. All I will say right now is that it looks very, very nice indeed :) and that there will be two versions of the SECA...

Their website needs to be updated with a bit more teaser info IMO.
 

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No info on the dimensions

I did get a chance to hold the prototype unit that had tucked away at the Sea Otter... if memory serves, it was slimmer than a TridenX (a unit that I currently own). I have no idea about the weight (the unit I held was a plastic mock-up).
 

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So likely abit less / same as a P7 torch for $55 area, knowing L&M it's likely going to be expensive.

I liked my Vega shame the battery didn't last long :(
Haven't you learn anything Turveyd!???? it's not about lumens, it's about light beam!:rolleyes: I bet you that Seca would have the greatest beam pattern, just like the ARC:D
 

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But I prefer the beam pattern of cheap torches, nothing fancy a bright spot which on the helmet gives a good long range search ability ( not too tight so it lights up a good patch of single track ), then loads of bright spill for good situational awareness.

I also like cheap, you crash it breaks no tears lost :)
 

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I got you, crashing is not fun..... 2 weeks ago I crash my Lupine and broke the front glass:madman: :madman: I was so mad, but 20$ and a fast service from gretnabikes solved the situation:thumbsup: :D not bad!!
Also I love not having to worry about little rechargeable batteries, for me they are a pain in the A....:D
 

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Yeah the little batterys are a pain, moving to 18650's though for the P7 atleast I'll get 90mins in 1/2 power rather than 40mins with the R2's and protected so i'll stop killing them from over discharging to.

But thats what trashed my HID's, 2 batterys both died and they'd randomly trip out mid ride being Li-ion to, prefer the survivability of just dropping in a new batterys.

Run multi lights aswell 4 in total, so no worries on the lights side about getting home!!
 

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Nice Beam Pattern to be fair, thats something unique and special and if it really doesn't waste much light on spill it could kick some ass.

But 6.5x's the price of my P7 700 ( 900 tops but doubtful ) Lumen Torch for the same run time, admitly less stoping to change batterys on that, but thats a big price to save battery changing :) And a better beam!!
 

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yeah!!!! I saw that newsletter.... I'm anxious to see that pattern;)
Off course I hope that price will drop with time and we should wait for some "sales"
now I wonder why the hell I'm so excited about it if I already have a Lupine and a DiNotte:p
well I guess its part of being light-a-holic right?:D
Oh man.....
 

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All marketing fluff so far, hope its not over hyped. :nono:
Since when does double runtime = half brightness???? :rolleyes:

Need to send them a cree datasheet and the batteryuniversity URL :D
 

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We all be Light addicts, cause we be MTB addicts and it allows us to ride more especially over the winter or really hot days.

Double the run time is 1/2 the brightness, but it'll look like it's 30% less bright generally, dimishing returns on lights cause your eyes adapt and all. ( unless there are other 700Lumen riders around )

But my P7 torch combined with a 250lumen R2 will be the last torches I buy, unless I buy a 2nd P7, ohhhh who am I trying to kid I've already got enough batterys to run 2 on order :)
 

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Turveyd said:
Double the run time is 1/2 the brightness,
Nah, leds are much more efficient at lower powers, meaning runtimes are better than expected.
If high power is 1A....
Half the lumens is about 2.7 the runtime
A quarter lumens is over 6x the runtime.
Data from here (cree R2) but all the current LEDs show similarly shaped power/lumen curves.
Similarly for batteries, you get more total power out at lower discharge currents.
If they had actually measured lumens/runtime you would see this in the results. :skep:

Other note, do we want a sharp top cutoff for off road riding? Not so good on hills and watch out for that branch! :eek:
 

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Other note, do we want a sharp top cutoff for off road riding? Not so good on hills and watch out for that branch! :eek:
I'm guessing L&M has done their homework. I'd say they have the upper hand coming to market after everyone else. They most likely sat back and listened to the complaints about lights from their competitors and addressed that before bringing a new product to market.
 

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I'm guessing L&M has done their homework. I'd say they have the upper hand coming to market after everyone else. They most likely sat back and listened to the complaints about lights from their competitors and addressed that before bringing a new product to market.
The Market is flooded with so many cheap LED products especially Torches which is what i use they do need to do something to set themselves apart, but still might be just PR and just another light ofcourse.

And there is a power curve, but it's not much until you start ramping them upto stupid MA levels, throw in the waste from the electronics to step the power down and likely compensated for it approx ofcourse.
 
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