the kumicho is a better bike. if you want more than one 'gear', just add another chainring, front derailleur and shifter.
Iron Horse Yakuza- Kumicho vs. Aniki
Whats up guys, i want a downhill bike but something i can take on some trails. iv came down 2 these 2 bikes. the yakuza kumicho or the yakuza aniki.
The aniki bike has has 2 gears in the front, the kumicho has only one gear.
-Heres my dalema lol, i want the kumicho since it has 8" travel and i like the fork, but i want more then 1 gear in the front...
The aniki bike has has 2 gears in the front, the kumicho has only one gear.
-Heres my dalema lol, i want the kumicho since it has 8" travel and i like the fork, but i want more then 1 gear in the front...
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Usually DH bikes only have one chainring since the rough terrain these bikes are meant to be ridden on necessitates a chainguide, which can't really be used with a two chainring/derailleur setup.
Do you have to pedal up to the top of your DH runs? If so then the aniki will be your better bet, but if you're mostly shuttling or riding lift access parks, the kumicho is the obvious choice.
Do you have to pedal up to the top of your DH runs? If so then the aniki will be your better bet, but if you're mostly shuttling or riding lift access parks, the kumicho is the obvious choice.
Don't go for the aniki, it is already really heavy (you can't really climb w/ it?)....I would go for the kumicho cuz it has better components and opportunity to expand with its riding ability. Also, check the reviews, I think the kumicho is way better..
I dunno about those answers. I'd personally hate to ride an 8" travel DH race bike on any trails. I would go with the Aniki. But, if you are shopping on Randall Scott the Kumicho is a much more bang for the buck. There aren't any redeeming parts on the '09 Aniki.
Either way, a 6-Point or 7-Point would pedal way better than those bikes and both are just a little bit more.
Either way, a 6-Point or 7-Point would pedal way better than those bikes and both are just a little bit more.
iv seen many people with the aniki and they put a DH fork on it 8"... so now u got a full out DH bike with 2 gears in the front...
full out dh bike doesnt have 2 gears thats the thing
Putting an 8" fork on a bike doesn't automatically transform it into a "full out DH bike". Case in point, check out the thread on the "Blur FR" that some guy built using a boxxer.
Like I said before, figure out what you'll be using the bike for, and base your choice on that. as someone above me said, the 7point would be a great choice if you'll be climbing as well as shuttling.
Like I said before, figure out what you'll be using the bike for, and base your choice on that. as someone above me said, the 7point would be a great choice if you'll be climbing as well as shuttling.
i am having the same issue as i want an 8" downhill frame but two front chain rings. we don't have the option to shuttle all that much, do a lot of hike-a-bike, and having that granny gear is pretty much necessary. for me that is. i'm looking at the turner dhr and using an e type derailer, but not positive it will work properly with a bash guard. feel free to add your frame to my post asking about derailers.
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Just a few things to correct -
2-ring chainguides are very common, AM bikes use them, FR bikes use them, anybody with 2-rings can use one. And you can build a full on DH bike with 2 rings, you just have to find somewhere to stick a derailleur and figure out how to route the cable.
8" bikes while not ideal for trail rides or climbing are clime-able and trailride-able. Just not as much fun as a smaller bike. The pivot placement of a Yakuza Kumicho would make for an exceptionally poor climbing bike however. The Aniki would be better, but still not stellar.
And I agree, a 7-point would be a waaaaaay better option than either of these bikes for what the OP wants to use it for. A 6-point would be better for all around riding with a little FR mixed in.
2-ring chainguides are very common, AM bikes use them, FR bikes use them, anybody with 2-rings can use one. And you can build a full on DH bike with 2 rings, you just have to find somewhere to stick a derailleur and figure out how to route the cable.
8" bikes while not ideal for trail rides or climbing are clime-able and trailride-able. Just not as much fun as a smaller bike. The pivot placement of a Yakuza Kumicho would make for an exceptionally poor climbing bike however. The Aniki would be better, but still not stellar.
And I agree, a 7-point would be a waaaaaay better option than either of these bikes for what the OP wants to use it for. A 6-point would be better for all around riding with a little FR mixed in.
If your stuck between these two bikes then: I have an Aniki and my friend has a Kumicho; so I've ridden both. The Kumicho is way better for DH. The suspension and drive train blows the anki out of the water. However the Aniki is much better for climbing, the x fusion stock shock on my 06 doesn't work for crap so pedal bob is not a problem. Also the spinner ammo has given me nothing but trouble. I blew the compression once, twice, blew the seals once, when the fork was taken apart to change them the internals fell apart, however they gave me a brand new one no questions asked.
If i had to do it over again i would get the Kumicho. Within two months of learning to ride i quickly out-progressed the aniki and its parts. It was a great bike to learn on however just not to stay on. Get the kumicho and invest in a race face front chain guide system. I had one on my new Glory Fr, however i never had any ride time on it because i took it off before i ever rode the bike. The aniki can also take a shock with a 9in eye (same as stock) but with a longer stroke because the shock it comes with the coil doesn't go to the eye, there is a 1in space i it. This will give you more travel in the back and slightly steeper geo.
Over all: a better climber w/ lesser parts that will need replacing in the long run vs a set to go dh/fr bike that will only need a new front derailleur (if that's what your looking for).
The 7 points are great bikes though. If i would have to buy something like the aniki again I'd get a 7 point, reign X, or sxt.
If i had to do it over again i would get the Kumicho. Within two months of learning to ride i quickly out-progressed the aniki and its parts. It was a great bike to learn on however just not to stay on. Get the kumicho and invest in a race face front chain guide system. I had one on my new Glory Fr, however i never had any ride time on it because i took it off before i ever rode the bike. The aniki can also take a shock with a 9in eye (same as stock) but with a longer stroke because the shock it comes with the coil doesn't go to the eye, there is a 1in space i it. This will give you more travel in the back and slightly steeper geo.
Over all: a better climber w/ lesser parts that will need replacing in the long run vs a set to go dh/fr bike that will only need a new front derailleur (if that's what your looking for).
The 7 points are great bikes though. If i would have to buy something like the aniki again I'd get a 7 point, reign X, or sxt.
nice thanks for the info man!!! i want to test drive a DH bike just to peddle around and see what everyones talking about when they say u cant xc with it. but i think im gona go with the kumicho!huntandride said:If your stuck between these two bikes then: I have an Aniki and my friend has a Kumicho; so I've ridden both. The Kumicho is way better for DH. The suspension and drive train blows the anki out of the water. However the Aniki is much better for climbing, the x fusion stock shock on my 06 doesn't work for crap so pedal bob is not a problem. Also the spinner ammo has given me nothing but trouble. I blew the compression once, twice, blew the seals once, when the fork was taken apart to change them the internals fell apart, however they gave me a brand new one no questions asked.
If i had to do it over again i would get the Kumicho. Within two months of learning to ride i quickly out-progressed the aniki and its parts. It was a great bike to learn on however just not to stay on. Get the kumicho and invest in a race face front chain guide system. I had one on my new Glory Fr, however i never had any ride time on it because i took it off before i ever rode the bike. The aniki can also take a shock with a 9in eye (same as stock) but with a longer stroke because the shock it comes with the coil doesn't go to the eye, there is a 1in space i it. This will give you more travel in the back and slightly steeper geo.
Over all: a better climber w/ lesser parts that will need replacing in the long run vs a set to go dh/fr bike that will only need a new front derailleur (if that's what your looking for).
The 7 points are great bikes though. If i would have to buy something like the aniki again I'd get a 7 point, reign X, or sxt.
Yeah yeah, there will be noticeable "pedal bob" where you can feel the suspension moving. It can be helped by a shock with pro pedal like a DHX.
lets say i want to do some xc riding cant i just tighten the rear shock 2 its max so then itll be easier to peddle???
It's not that you CAN'T rde xc on a DH bike. It's just that a DH bike works better for DH, which is sort of the opposite type of riding, which results in the opposite type of geometry. You can, in all likelihood, use almost any type of bicycle for almost any type of riding, but it's a question of effectiveness, efficiency, and how pleasant the experience will be.
Can you use an XC bike for downhill? Sure. It won't be as comfortable and you probably wouldn't be as fast, but you can still do it.
Keep in mind that people are recommending the 6 and 7 points because their suspension setup (dw link) is supposed to provide better pedaling performance than traditional single pivot designs, which may translate into a better climbing experience for you.
Can you use an XC bike for downhill? Sure. It won't be as comfortable and you probably wouldn't be as fast, but you can still do it.
Keep in mind that people are recommending the 6 and 7 points because their suspension setup (dw link) is supposed to provide better pedaling performance than traditional single pivot designs, which may translate into a better climbing experience for you.
Hesh is totally right. The geometry just wont be there. However it is doable.
the kumicho can be made into a pretty nice bike with time. i have had mine for a year and all i really have left to upgrade is forks. i got a dhx4, code5s, sram dh cassette, new azonic bars/stem/chainring, sram x7 derailluer, sram x9 shifter. and the best part is im probably only in for around 2300 for all of it.
nice!, yea i really want the yakuza kumicho! will it work ok 4 dirt jumps? its like a bmx park all dirt jumps one after another
you could do it if you've got the energy and the skills, but no, it wont be good at bmx type jumps... totally understand where you're coming from though... all i've got is my dh bike too, so every once in a while if i feel like DJing at the local park, it's the bike i bring...yellowpasta2000 said:nice!, yea i really want the yakuza kumicho! will it work ok 4 dirt jumps? its like a bmx park all dirt jumps one after another
you are all over the place as to what you want to do with this bike.yellowpasta2000 said:nice!, yea i really want the yakuza kumicho! will it work ok 4 dirt jumps? its like a bmx park all dirt jumps one after another
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