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Im buying an Iron Horse SGS Dh Pro but im having trouble deciding which size of bike to get. Im 5'11" but i cant decide wether to get the 17" or 19" frame. If anybody has this bike or has any suggestions please help! Thanks!
 

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Jm, how easy is it to manual on the sgs pro dh?
 

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mtb care bear said:
Jm, how easy is it to manual on the sgs pro dh?
not easy, probably easier with the stock boxxer than with my shiver, but the stays are about the same as most other "normal" DH bikes. I haven't manualed anything other bikes recently, so I can't compare, but it's not one of those bikes that has short stays and just "pops" up.
 

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remember, the 19 is the "medium" sized bike. If you generally ride "medium" sized bikes (as I do because I am 5'11"), get the 19". The 17" is the "small" size bike.
 

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remember, the 19 is the "medium" sized bike. If you generally ride "medium" sized bikes (as I do because I am 5'11"), get the 19". The 17" is the "small" size bike
for most bikes that is...santacruz samlls are like 20"...

(the point of that was... :rolleyes: ...ask tony hes a post whore)
 

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Im definately bigger in build, and im used to riding my 19" hard tail so im going to get the 19". Thanks for the input! :)
 

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Yea, I was thinkin the 19" would be good but i just wanted some opinions from other people. I weigh around 220lbs so the 19 should be good! Thanks for the help.
 

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Jm. said:
not easy, probably easier with the stock boxxer than with my shiver, but the stays are about the same as most other "normal" DH bikes. I haven't manualed anything other bikes recently, so I can't compare, but it's not one of those bikes that has short stays and just "pops" up.
well im not the best manual guy but the iron horse rips in the manual dept. but thats with the boxxer team i tried the bike with a 180mm white bros dh-2 and it manualed like crap. im talking the dh trail manual off a rock face and clearing 20-50 feet of rock garden, gully, etc. NOT street manualing.
 

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well im not the best manual guy but the iron horse rips in the manual dept. but thats with the boxxer team i tried the bike with a 180mm white bros dh-2 and it manualed like crap. im talking the dh trail manual off a rock face and clearing 20-50 feet of rock garden, gully, etc. NOT street manualing.
Sweet! Im not buying the bike just for its manualing power, but i was just curious as to how it manualed. But it sounds awesome! :)
 

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What about for sizing for me? I’m 6-2"+ with an almost 36" inseam. I know I’m between a med and large. I ride a large frame now but I heard that SGS frames ran really big. I have the credit card right by my side to place the order I just want to be sure to get the right size.
 

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buy it while you can

Getawaybikes.com has an awesome deal on 2004 Iron Horse SGS pro for $1400. Shipping is super cheap, too. Iron Horse is changing their entire DH design to incorporate DW linkage in 2005. You see, the problem with Iron Horse is they can't seem to stick to a design for more than three years. Just when they've worked out all the bugs on SGS, they are moving on to a different design and come with it new bugs to be worked out. That's fine with me because it allows me to get a 2004 SGS with Specilaized patented horst link for a killer price.

I don't think DW link is not that reliable of a design anyway. It costs a lot in terms of manufecturing process to get all those linkages and pivots right. You can't cut corners and try to use lesser materials because your quality is gonna suffer. I had a 2001 Iron Horse Hollowpoint with DW design. The rear end grew flexy after 6 months because the bearings link all those linkages develope play in them. More linkages you have the more bearing play effects get magnified. It also developed a crack on the y-shaped weld in the rear triangle. Keep in mind, I am speaking from my experience with the 2001 Hollowpoint. Since then, Iron Horse had three years to refine it. Neverthless, 2005 is the first year they are applying the DW linkage to their DH bikes. Who know what kinda of problem they are going to have on the first year production bike?

DW and VPP linkage on Santa Cruz bikes are very similar in linkage arrangements and number of linkages. A lot of people are complaining about the linkage creaks on the Blurs after 3 years. Do you expect Iron Horse to get it right the first year?

The moral of the story is get those 04 Iron Horse SGS while they last.
 

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jamisfoes said:
Iron Horse is changing their entire DH design to incorporate DW linkage in 2005. You see, the problem with Iron Horse is they can't seem to stick to a design for more than three years. Just when they've worked out all the bugs on SGS, they are moving on to a different design and come with it new bugs to be worked out. That's fine with me because it allows me to get a 2004 SGS with Specilaized patented horst link for a killer price.
Iron Horse actually started using FSR designs in 1999 w/ the G-Spot & SGS-DH models. We started using dw-link in 2002 w/ the Mk II.5 Hollowpoint design. We have max'ed out the potential for FSR for our needs on the race course. The performance of dw-link exceeds FSR in all aspects.

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I don't think DW link is not that reliable of a design anyway. It costs a lot in terms of manufecturing process to get all those linkages and pivots right. You can't cut corners and try to use lesser materials because your quality is gonna suffer. I had a 2001 Iron Horse Hollowpoint with DW design. The rear end grew flexy after 6 months because the bearings link all those linkages develope play in them. More linkages you have the more bearing play effects get magnified. It also developed a crack on the y-shaped weld in the rear triangle. Keep in mind, I am speaking from my experience with the 2001 Hollowpoint. Since then, Iron Horse had three years to refine it. Neverthless, 2005 is the first year they are applying the DW linkage to their DH bikes. Who know what kinda of problem they are going to have on the first year production bike?
First, dw-link bikes have the same number of pivots as an FSR bike! A well engineered bike in addition to proper maintence by the rider is always an important to overall longevity of pivots and parts.

Iron Horse has made a substantial investment in manufacturing for the new dw-link frames. While using dw-link suspension, like 02-04 Hollowpoints, the design & engineering process is 100% dw & Iron Horse. Mk II Hollowpoints used dw-link suspension but not dw's frame engineering. Comparing a Mk II Hollowpoint to a Mk III Hollowpoint other 05 dw-link platform is truly apples to oranges.

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DW and VPP linkage on Santa Cruz bikes are very similar in linkage arrangements and number of linkages. A lot of people are complaining about the linkage creaks on the Blurs after 3 years. Do you expect Iron Horse to get it right the first year?
dw-link and VPP are extremely different in function. While both are multi-link bikes, they are about as different from each other in function as possible. Check out www.dw-link.com for more info on the function of the dw-link design. dw's expertise in engineering has been proven by his involvement in e.thirteen & Evil, this just adds to his pedigree.

-ska todd
 

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The bottom line

All I am saying is Iron Horse is changing a proven design because they don't want to pay Specialized loyalty anymore. I don't expect them to get it right the first year. Performance wise, it may be good. Reliability wise it is an unknown.
 

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All I am saying is Iron Horse is changing a proven design because they don't want to pay Specialized loyalty anymore.
You are completely wrong. The decision to switch the whole lineup away from FSR was based on performance needs for the product. We found FSR to be at the end of it's usable lifespan for our needs. We needed bikes that performed better on the race course and in the woods. This included lower C of G, better pedalling performance, lower leverage ratios, stiffer rear triangles, and longer s-post insertions. All of these could be accomplished with the dw-link system but not with FSR.

The proof of durability will be after the bikes have been ridden and raced by consumers obviously. After a full season of race use by top WC and NCS riders we are pretty sure we have gotten the bugs out of everything. Will something pop-up here or there? Possibly, but this also happens with other brands who have been using their same designs for multiple years.

The only other recommendation is to ride the new bikes and compare. The 05 bikes are heads and shoulders above previous Iron Horse products. The proof is in the ride.

-ska todd
 

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Come on now, Todd. Admit it: Iron Horse was simply suffering from an absurd abundance of extra money, and they needed a way to blow it all, so they figured hiring a new design engineer, redesiging their frames, and reworking all of the tooling and manufacturing lines was the best way to do it.

Now stop telling us lies and go back to rolling in your piles of $100 bills!

;) :D

jamisfoes: Dave Weagle is the evil (ha ha, get it?) genius design engineer behind the latest DW-link frames. He is also the designer for such products as the Evil Imperial and E.13 chainguides. Given his perfectionist nature and the success of the aforementioned products (even during their first production year), I've got a good deal of faith in the new Iron Horse lineup...
 

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Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of faith in DW linkage. I have ridden one in my 2001 Hollowpoint..although it isn't the complete DW package. It is super plush. Still I would never buy a first year production bike because of the reliablility concerns...my 2001 Hollowpoint was a first year production bike. Neverthless, I had a good experience with Iron Horse's warranty service when my Hollowpoint's rear triangle cracked. They replaced the rear triangle free of charge.

In a different perspective, sometimes having a good rep on warranty service is not so good a thing. It can mean your product breaks a lot and you replace it with a new part everytime it breaks, no questions asked.

This is why I am sad to see Iron Horse discontinued the SGS line...a proven design thru years of refinement.
 
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