Intense tracer vp with ISCG mounts - due when?

slcrockymountainrider said:

So are you planning on running a Hammerschmidt? If not, the frame really isn't compatible with a chainguide. There are a couple of Threads on here dealing with that issue so no need to start another one here.
If you're not running an HS I wouldn't worry too much about getting a Tracer VP with ISCG tabs.

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why isn't compatible with a chainguide? look at tazer vp.

dreicha said:

why isn't compatible with a chainguide? look at tazer vp.

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Again, no need to get into this topic here and beat the dead horse to death again. Go back into the Intense Forum and research it on the Tracer and the Uzzi. There are a few recent posts. Pay attention to the canted back position of the guides which is incorrect. Even look at the Tazer picture you posted which isn't quite as bad. If you're still confused, grab a copy of the e.13 set up instructions for the LG1 and then go back to the photo's Mr. Intense posted early on and notice what's wrong. Then look further into and notice he isn't posting shots of the Tracer and Uzzi with guides any longer.

It's like screaming at a wall.:madman:

Edit: Here's your chainguide set up on the Tracer VP: https://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?p=5372573&postcount=91
That's as far as the e.13 DRS can rotate around. Does it look like it's set up correctly? How long do you think that lower plastic section of the guide is going last hanging down square underneith the bashguard? And look at all the tension on the chain. It's ready to break (that's sarcasm for the mentally challenged). BS Stinger and the like fall into the same boat. The ISCG tabs are only for the Hammerschmidt.

fozzybear said:

RMR thanks for all the info found his setup info for the DRS
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=494825
looks pretty thin at the roller end.

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Well so much for duplicating info so I'll just run with it here again.

Guys are running into the same thing on the Uzzi VP's: http://forums.mtbr.com/showpost.php?p=5842388&postcount=234

Even with all that grinding, the DRS is still in the wrong position with the lower roller almost at a 90 degree angle-as per the example you gave above.

I tried the DRS on my Tracer VP originally and didn't get past holding it up to the frame realizing it wasn't even close to fitting. Briefly I had a BS Stinger (you can read about it and check the photo here) and it worked slightly better but didn't provide any tension what-so-ever.

Someone posted the Race Face guide as an option. It looks promising as the lower section of the boomerang is a long, thin elbow that may fit around the lower link/chainstay. Problem with it is that it's not ISCG '05 compatible so you'd have to run it BB mount. If that's possible and it doesn't require a special adaptor, it may work. If not, it would wreak havoc on your chainline.
My '09 Reign X had some similar issues with worthless ISCG tabs as far as using a guide was concerned. Anyway.

markcm said:

If anyone else has figured out a good chainguide solution, please share.

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I would keep on Intense for not doing their homework and throwing that crap out the door. Seems a bit irresponsible at the number of changes that went through the lower half of that bike within such a short period of time: lower link was changed, no ISCG, then adding it a short while later. It's great that they can 'adapt' so quickly, but IMO these changes should have been addressed prior to releasing the bike.

As soon as MRP and E.13 release the seat tube mounted single ring guide you can use a slightly modified BS Stinger with a flush bolt-and still maintain the chainline and rotate the Stinger around far enough to actually put tension on the chain. That is if you use a BB mount Stinger and not those worthless ISCG tabs. Using the current single ring upper guide versions that mount to the BB shell (like the MRP X.1) along with the BS Stinger throws the chainline too far out of whack.

To be honest, I don't see how any modded guide like the SRS, SRS+, and the MRP lineup can work with the rear triangle/lower linkage on the Tracer VP. Even if they change the ISCG hole drilling on the backplate, you're still not going to be able to rotate the guide around far enough to put any real tension (or any at all depending on the ring you're running up front) on the chain in the harder gears. All that plastic around the lower pulley won't allow it to rotate very far and all the little bolts and tabs sticking off the backplate hits the lower linkage. IMO Intense is putting the responsibility on the chainguide manufacturers when the real issue is the width of the lower linkage and how low the chainstay sits.

The LG1, LG1+ seemed to have a really big lower pulley assembly for me to even try it.

Having said that, somewhere on here it was said that Intense shouldn't build a frame around a chainguide. I guess there's some truth to that but still... To me that argument makes about as much sense as when they were charging extra for raw frames a while back .