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Basically, here is what I want:

-A bike that I can nearly toss off a roof and not hurt the frame

-A bike with disk brakes

-A bike with a fork that will take what I throw at it

-A bike that I can easily travel around town with

-A bike that costs no more than $800

-A bike (if I get multi-speed) with a short cage derailler that is good quality and won't mess up because of rough landings.

Right now, the best choices I've seen are the P.2 Cr-Mo, the P.1 Cr-Mo, and this bike called the Hardball made by Mongoose. The Hardball is single-speed, comes with a Dirt Jam Pro fork and Hayes HFX-9 HD hydraulic disk brakes, both front and rear. It runs two twenty four inch wheels, though, and I don't think that will make much of a difference. I've read some bad reviews of the FX-9's, and that bike is seeming less appealing.

Is there a better bike I can get for the money (without changing any parts)?

By the way, I know the P.2 Cr-Mo is MSRP'd at $880, but my local Specialized dealer sells it for $800.
 

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Sounds like you're a beginner. Buy used until you know what you want. You'll save about 40 to 60 percent off retail, maybe more.

Look into Kona's hardtails. The Haro Thread series is pretty cool. The hydroformed Escapes aren't made anymore, but they were pretty solid, though on the big side. Norco makes some amazing bikes as well. The Giant STP is a sick bike. Very easy to flick. Diamondback Assault is a good bike for somebody on a budget. Cannondale Chase. A bit hard to find used, but also very cool bikes. Probably one of the more versatile bikes in the bunch.

I used to work at a Specialized dealer. After dealing with the jackass of a rep and a handful of misalligned frames, I'm never going to buy one. Not to mention they spec all this OEM crap to cut costs. They stamp out thinner rotors to save materials. They'll use steel steerers instead of aluminum steerers on the forks. They'll use all sorts of housebrand parts. The wheel builds suck out of the box.

As for throwing it off the roof, depends how you ride. Any bike will fold under a complete hack that does nothing but drop to flat.
 

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Well, the roof was a little exaggerating . . .

Yes, I am a beginner, but I do know what I want! If I had the money, I would build a bike using the Norco Moment Frame (you know, Ryan Leeche's). I can do all the basic ground tricks (wheelie, stoppie, J-hop, bunny hop), and I learned them on a comfort bike, which I trashed, so that is why I'm looking for a new bike. I have little Dirt Jump experience because I was afraid that bike would fall apart when I jumped off anything bigger than a couple feet.

I've looked into every bike company that sells in the US. I don't know where to find stuff used, though. Don't say internet. My dad won't buy me a bike I can't test ride before we pay, and I don't have a way of making enough money to buy it myself. I''ve tested the aluminum P.2, and it jumps well. The P.2 Cr-Mo has the same geometry.

I've tested the P.1 Cr-Mo, and that jumps well too. I haven't had enough time to test the Mongoose Hardball, because it rained when I was at the store. By the way, what do you think of the Hardball?
 

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dirtyharry said:
Well, the roof was a little exaggerating . . .

Yes, I am a beginner, but I do know what I want! If I had the money, I would build a bike using the Norco Moment Frame (you know, Ryan Leeche's). I can do all the basic ground tricks (wheelie, stoppie, J-hop, bunny hop), and I learned them on a comfort bike, which I trashed, so that is why I'm looking for a new bike. I have little Dirt Jump experience because I was afraid that bike would fall apart when I jumped off anything bigger than a couple feet.

I've looked into every bike company that sells in the US. I don't know where to find stuff used, though. Don't say internet. My dad won't buy me a bike I can't test ride before we pay, and I don't have a way of making enough money to buy it myself. I''ve tested the aluminum P.2, and it jumps well. The P.2 Cr-Mo has the same geometry.

I've tested the P.1 Cr-Mo, and that jumps well too. I haven't had enough time to test the Mongoose Hardball, because it rained when I was at the store. By the way, what do you think of the Hardball?
The Moment is a trials frame, not a dirtjump/urban hardtail.

Buy your own bike, then you'll appreciate it and take care of it.

Check your classifieds for used bikes.

http://craigslist.org is free online classifieds for a lot of different cities/areas.
 

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I'm not old enough to get a proper job, and besides, my dad won't let me do stuff like mowing lawns. He's kinda strict. I think he just doesn't want me doing it cause he almost cut his foot off with a lawnmower as a kid. Also, in my town, the papers aren't ever delivered that way.

How did this topic get to this discussion? I still haven't heard what anyone thinks of the Mongoose Hardball . . .
 

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There are other things you can do to make money. I was pulling in about 500 week when I was 13. Friend of the family was a contractor, paid me 8 to 10 bucks an hour. Not easy or fun stuff, but it was worth it. Kinda dissappointing now that I've been reduced to minimum wage and sweet parts hookups.
 

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Giant STP, the norco street and dirt jump line are impressive little bikes, kona's dirt jump line. Stay away from a dirt jam pro if you can, it is in my opinion, one of the crappiest for ever made. Buy used is what I'd tell you. I got into the sport with a less expensive bike, and once I knew what I liked and disliked about a bike, I went and bought myself a bike that is worth(including the modifications it will go through shortly) approx $3500 CDN.
 

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xsl_will, I'm sure he thanks you much for the lesson on hard knocks and uncles who employ child labor (for more than I'm making...) j/k man... but seriously, the kid probably gets it hard enough when his old man comes home drunk at night, and he begs him for a shiny new bike for his birthday... mtbr.com isn't the place to post and suddenly become a man, that's what porno's for. ;)

dirtyharry, I don't think you're going to get much sympathy here, let alone a hook up on a cheap or free bike or something... you may not know much about these bikes yet, but asking here about "this oem bike" vs. "this stock bike" vs crap I never care to ride vs. etc.... isn't going to teach you much. It's mostly up to you to figure out. Everybody's different, and plus you can only trust about 10% of the shyt you read on the net anyway. Ride the bikes and figure out whichever one you can afford and feel comfortable trying tricks on... That's how most of us figured it out.... try some parts, some bikes, etc., if you hate'em, don't buy it again, if you can wail on'em, keep it.

that said, snaky69 got some good recom's.
 

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yea XSL_will absolutly hates specialized. dont listen to him. I've had 3 different Specialized bikes. I have had a 2004 Specialized hardrock Sport, 2004 Specialized P.2 and a 05/06 Specialized P.1 Cr-mo. out of all the bikes your checking out. get the P.1. because the fork thats on there, was cheaped out by specialized....but in them doing that they made a great fork. the stance static dual coil has to be the best thing that could have happened to that fork. also the 26/24 feels really good, the P.1 also is a very flickable bike, good for street, park and DJ. its a little odd on the trails, but it works....kinda .... thats why I kept my P.2 more versatile. but my money would either be a STP SS, P.1 crmo, P.2 crmo, or the SS Cannondale chase. (4?)
 

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Thanks man, thats the most helpful thing that's been said to me all day.

By the way, I'm not trying to get people to sell me stuff, it's just I've been looking at all the bike companies I've seen and am not sure if there is something I haven't looked at yet.
 

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dirty harry, no beef with you personally at all, directed at repetitive threads posted by waves of new users (stereotypically young), regarding stock oem bikes that can just as easily be test ridden as looked up online.
Sarcasm directed at my own horrible childhood anyway, haha.
ask away your questions, that's what this forum is for anyway, I just have to stop reading them.:rolleyes:

btw- you spelled my username wrong.
 

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Yeah, well todd_freeride is horribly inexperienced as well. I wouldn't listen to him either. HAHAHA! @ss...

Specialized sucks. If they could weld a straight frame (and not have to use spherical bushings on their squish bikes) and not spec OEM crap, I might reconsider. Oh, and relocate the Specialized rep to the Middle East. That would be good.

That being said, the older p.3 that I rode (that was straight because it was built before they got too greedy) did ride pretty nicely. The short frame was no good for me, but the long frame fit the bill.
 
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