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Same here. I don't want to watch POV footage of mediocre riders or riders who I ride better than, with little to no personality, pushing their latest sponsors product or their Patreon link. I want to see good quality, well edited footage of riders who are progressing the sport.
I feel the same way. The human interest videos of high level riders are particularly interesting to me, and motivate me far more than watching a mediocre rider living out of a van (although sometimes those are fun to watch anyway). For example, I follow the Red Bull series because it covers more than just bike riding; It explores what's going on in their heads:


Even though I know I will never ride anywhere near the level of those top riders I like watching them do what they do because they're so damned good at it. Actually, I enjoy watching any talented person doing what they do when they're really good at it. I don't care what the talent is; When I see someone who is awesome at what they do it's inspirational. I just like watching talented people.

Skills With Phil is maybe an example of a "regular guy" but his riding skills are excellent and I like his goofy personality so his channel is watchable.
 

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I like it all but I watch the mediocre riders mostly to see the trails and scenery. Some of these guys riding is a little cringy to watch though, lol... There was a video with one guy who shall remain unnamed learning to jump that was just so horrific, he refuses to commit for basically the entire video, just a whole 15 min of trying to jump but not really. Nobody needs to see this.

I'd rather watch Nate Hills and Skills with Phil, they are both pro riders with amazing skills. I've built trail and rode with Nate, he's ever better than the vids suggest! Also been liking Remy, Barelli and Steve in Squamish, those guys are NUTS! As well as the Remi, Jesse and Miller's new MGM Alternative channel, it's really good so far.
 

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I feel the same way. The human interest videos of high level riders are particularly interesting to me, and motivate me far more than watching a mediocre rider living out of a van (although sometimes those are fun to watch anyway). For example, I follow the Red Bull series because it covers more than just bike riding; It explores what's going on in their heads:


Even though I know I will never ride anywhere near the level of those top riders I like watching them do what they do because they're so damned good at it. Actually, I enjoy watching any talented person doing what they do when they're really good at it. I don't care what the talent is; When I see someone who is awesome at what they do it's inspirational. I just like watching talented people.

Skills With Phil is maybe an example of a "regular guy" but his riding skills are excellent and I like his goofy personality so his channel is watchable.
Exactly!! I want to see people who are in the top % of whatever it is they do. Couldn't agree more, even in regards to Phil. Dude rips.
 

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I like it all but I watch the mediocre riders mostly to see the trails and scenery. Some of these guys riding is a little cringy to watch though, lol... There was a video with one guy who shall remain unnamed learning to jump that was just so horrific, he refuses to commit for basically the entire video, just a whole 15 min of trying to jump but not really. Nobody needs to see this.

I'd rather watch Nate Hills and Skills with Phil, they are both pro riders with amazing skills. I've built trail and rode with Nate, he's ever better than the vids suggest! Also been liking Remy, Barelli and Steve in Squamish, those guys are NUTS! As well as the Remi, Jesse and Miller's new MGM Alternative channel, it's really good so far.
That's about the only time I'll watch some mediocre riders, if I want to see a trail I haven't ridden and there's no footage by a good rider. I've watched a ton of videos of my local trails, 98% of them are just meh because it's all POV footage of newb riders or mediocre riders trying to start a YouTube channel. Them barely making climbs that I have no issue with is just boring AF to watch, to me at least.
 

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recently i've had bike video burnout (i guess?) and can't usually watch through a whole edit. something like brage's real mtb edit was good enough that it kept me watching through the whole video.
 

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That's about the only time I'll watch some mediocre riders, if I want to see a trail I haven't ridden and there's no footage by a good rider. I've watched a ton of videos of my local trails, 98% of them are just meh because it's all POV footage of newb riders or mediocre riders trying to start a YouTube channel. Them barely making climbs that I have no issue with is just boring AF to watch, to me at least.
I look up trail videos when I'm scouting out a new riding location. Sometimes the POV cam of average riders is all that's available. As long as the image is stabilized and not shaky as hell then I can watch it for trail beta but when I see them bypassing all of the fun features I start yelling at the monitor in frustration, ha ha. "COME ON!!! TAKE THE JUMP!!!"
 

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Same here. I don't want to watch POV footage of mediocre riders or riders who I ride better than, with little to no personality, pushing their latest sponsors product or their Patreon link. I want to see good quality, well edited footage of riders who are progressing the sport.
The only thing pro riders progress is sales for Trekalized. All it is is advertising. For lack of a better word it is phony.

I care about pros doing stuff I would never do just about as much as I care about people in wing suits flying through terrain gaps at a hundred miles per hour. Mildly interesting but zero relevance to me. I would rather watch a more real experience by someone closer to myself, someone who cannot blaze a quadruple double super black line with one eye open and never a thought about getting injured.

In fact I think Seth getting injured has been a good thing. It is not good for him obviously. But it shows there are serious, perhaps life changing, consequences possible for screwing up.
 

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The only thing pro riders progress is sales for Trekalized. All it is is advertising. For lack of a better word it is phony.

I care about pros doing stuff I would never do just about as much as I care about people in wing suits flying through terrain gaps at a hundred miles per hour. Mildly interesting but zero relevance to me. I would rather watch a more real experience by someone closer to myself, someone who cannot blaze a quadruple double super black line with one eye open and never a thought about getting injured.

In fact I think Seth getting injured has been a good thing. It is not good for him obviously. But it shows there are serious, perhaps life changing, consequences possible for screwing up.
Well, I disagree, obviously. There's a ton of "pro" riders who are progressing the sport and aren't pushing sales for corporations. I mean, I get the allure of seeing "regular people" riding stuff you can relate to, but a majority of the time they're edited horribly and just boring videos overall, IMO.

And, I don't need to see Seth (who I'm a huge fan of as well, btw) get hurt to understand the risks of mountain biking. I think anyone who's not a complete newbie rider more than likely knows the risks that revolve around the sport.
 

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The only thing pro riders progress is sales for Trekalized. All it is is advertising. For lack of a better word it is phony.

I care about pros doing stuff I would never do just about as much as I care about people in wing suits flying through terrain gaps at a hundred miles per hour. Mildly interesting but zero relevance to me. I would rather watch a more real experience by someone closer to myself, someone who cannot blaze a quadruple double super black line with one eye open and never a thought about getting injured.
This is the type of attitude that gave the world amateur granny porn. :(
 
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I've become very tired of the pro riders doing aerial acrobatics. It's pretty amazing what they can do, but I've seen so much of it that I can't really watch it anymore. I also can't relate to it. It seems like an entirely different sport from what I do.
 

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Well, I disagree, obviously. There's a ton of "pro" riders who are progressing the sport and aren't pushing sales for corporations. I mean, I get the allure of seeing "regular people" riding stuff you can relate to, but a majority of the time they're edited horribly and just boring videos overall, IMO.
Here is the thing. I ride to be in the mountains and for fitness. Progressing the sport to me means expanding the places available to ride. Enduro bros dressed as pseudo motocrossers don't progress my version of sport. In fact they are easily available ammunition for a-holes in the Sierra Club who want to restrict mountain biking.

A lot of the MTB channels are basically lifestyle channels that rely on the personality of the Youtuber. They are basically selling their relatability to their viewers. Pros don't do it for me. I watched enough of that sh!t as a roadie. POV videos don't do it for me either, usually.
 

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I do value POV videos from local riders. It gives me a chance to gauge the trails before I ride them.
 

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I do value POV videos from local riders. It gives me a chance to gauge the trails before I ride them.
Same.
Especially when taking along riders of lesser ability.

Having SOME production value in the video, however, goes a long way towards better informing and stoking hesitant riders.
 

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I do value POV videos from local riders. It gives me a chance to gauge the trails before I ride them.

That go pro effect though.

Me watching video - oh man that trail looks sick can't wait to ride it
Me on trail - how is this place this steep!! WTF
 

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If they have their face in the camera with drama, I just turn it off. I don't want to see your face.

If they are sitting in their car driving to the trail, I turn it off.

If they are sitting in a room and not even outside, I turn it off.

If they have lots of whining and excuses and explanation of why failure, I turn it off.

I guess that being said I turn off about 98% of all the videos I begin to watch.

Some riders are good enough and interesting enough that I will put up with a small amount of that in order to get to the riding content, but very few.
 
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