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I just purchased a large BLT2 about 6 weeks ago with a 140mm fork. I came from an '04 large blur classic. I'm 6 feet tall but with fairly long legs. To compensate for my body type, I had a bunch of spacers on my classic coupled with a 15 degree stem and a thomson setback post. It was perfect, except that the bike was getting old and I always wanted a little more travel. My riding style I'd characterize as XC to aggressive XC/trail.

So, I bought a blur LT2. My impressions thus far:

Climbing: I don't have too many issues. Obviously, the classic's geometry for climbing is better so I expected a little trade off when moving to the LT2. I'm using a straight seatpost right now but it seems my weight is too far back. I'm afraid to try a setback.

On the flats: The increased bottom bracket height is great (although that didn't bother me too much on the classic). I feel like I'm sitting too high, though.

On singletrack: I definitely notice that the LT2 seems to be a lot less agile. I'm kind of surprised about this one, though, given all of the reviews.

Downhill: The increased rear travel is great; however, my biggest complaint is that I feel I am so much higher on the LT2 that my balance is all off. That issue seems to be getting a LITTLE better with each ride but it still concerns me a lot. I'm not the most aggressive rider in the world but do most anything. I feel like the fork travel is just too much when coupled with the slacker headtube angle.

I've tried moving my seat forward and back and have tried different stem lengths. Again, my biggest complaint is the "upright" and "cramped" riding position on the LT2 compared to the classic. I just can't get comfortable.

I'm thinking of (1) switching out my Float 140 for a Talas, (2) trying a setback seatpost, despite my concerns, or (3) biting the bullet and buying a BXC with a 120mm fork with the idea that maybe I'm just suited for an XC rig.

Any suggestions? THX
 

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I've tried moving my seat forward and back and have tried different stem lengths. Again, my biggest complaint is the "upright" and "cramped" riding position on the LT2 compared to the classic. I just can't get comfortable.
Your complaints are all similar to ones I had when I first made the transition from Blur Classic to LT2.
Like you, both of my Blurs are larges.
I'm 5'11". I'm more of a long torso.
I too, felt to cramped and upright.
Bike setups
>>>Classic, L, straight post, 110mm, 5degree stem, 5mm of spacers. Talas fork set at 112mm travel. This was typical XC. When I purchased the bike in 2003, I never felt like I needed to change my riding style. It fit everything I'd been doing for the previous 11 years.
>>>LT2, L, straight post at first, now running setback post, 90mm, 0degree stem, 20mm of spacers. PIKE fork set at 130mm at first, now running 140mm. I loved the bike from the start, but like you felt quite cramped and upright. I had to switch from straight post to setback to get room, as I wanted to maintain the shorter stem. I've never felt like my weight was too far back, though.
With my new bike, much of what I knew had to be tossed out, or relearned. The LT2 is not informed by traditional XC geometry, as the classic (and XC) model was. It's new school, and I've learned to love it. I got it in July 2008, but it was only a month ago that I felt comfortable moving the travel up to 140mm permanently. (I'm glad my Pike is adjustable travel, it allowed me to gradually move towards where the bike was trying to take me.) On singletrack I've had to relearn how to ride tight corners with a longer travel bike. Now that I have, I love it.
All I can say is, give it some time. Our situations are not exactly the same, but they are close. Try the setback post for room, but move your weight more to the front end on descents and corners.
...Now that I think of it, like you, I do remember feeling like I was getting too far behind the bike when I first got it. All of a sudden I'd be in a sketchy section and feel like I had no weight on the front end. I was grasping the handlebars just to hold on; I wasn't driving it. What was happening was I was trying to ride this bike like an xc bike...with my weight back in sketchy stuff. We XC riders are so used to "getting back" when the going gets tough. The LT2 demands that you get up front, engage the sketchy stuff head on, more like a downhiller. I find myself lightly feathering the front brake on high speed corners, just to help get the weight forward and help the front tire bite the trail. It is quite fun!
As travel gets longer, stems shorter (the LT2 MUST HAVE a shorter stem than a classic, IMHO.) and geometry more relaxed, riders must compensate by getting up front. The LT2 is a different bike than the classic, a different paradigm. It takes some getting used to, but it's worth it. It makes one a better rider I think. (I've since transferred this riding style to my hardtail singlespeed, going with a shorter stem and stretching the travel out a bit more.)
I did a ride on my old Blur classic last week, just for kicks. I used to LOVE this bike; I had a neural connection with it. Now it feels weird. The geometry is way too steep for my newfound taste. It still handles singletrack fine, but no better than the LT2. I also notice the increased chain growth, having ridden the LT2 for a while. All in all, I find the LT2 does everything the classic did well, but is much better in the sketchy stuff. It is faster. It is more forgiving. It does not squeak.
Good luck with the transition. Stick with it. You'll eventually get it, just like clipless pedals. :)
 

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Thanks, Chris. Your post is reassuring. I am going to try a setback seatpost. As for the the stem, I started out with a 5 degree 130mm stem (from LBS). I immediately switched that out for a 5 degree 100mm stem. I may try shortening it if the setback doesn't do the trick.

I wish I had purchased an adjustable travel fork to start with but had gotten such a deal on a 140mm float. I'd hate to have to purchase a Talas (or comparable) just in case I end of switching out the frames.

Back to the trail to figure this thing out....
 

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Is been a year since I got my BLT2.

If you look at my initial review of it when the bike was first released, I only gave the bike a B rating. It took a good half a year or more to get used to the compactness of this bike. I came from a good 17 years of riding experience and having own tons of bikes, I thought this bike kind of sucked and wasn't what I wanted.

BUT...if you ask me now, other than a nomad or a seven from Yeti, there is absolutely no bike that I want to own anymore. I came to realize that the compactness is allowing me to wheelie for a much more extended period of time, helps make manualing really easy, and on the drops where I used to get this oh sh*t feeling coz I didn't pull up the front enough, I found that the compactness lets me simply lean back, and the front will go up automatically, hence, helping to develop my skills more.

The compactness has a reason. Is not for everyone. But you have been riding the classic for 5 years, it will take sometime to get used to.

Also, you will eventually find that you are riding more AM/FR stuffs than XC with this new bike. You will get used to it. In fact, as if the blt2 isn't already compact enough, I now ride a 50mm stem on it with dh bars. Is just beautiful what I can do that I couldn't do before.

Ride it for a year, and if you dont like it still, then get the BXC
 

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Montrose,

I just may take you up on your trade....I'm biking the Tahoe Rim Trail and a bunch of other trails over the next 10 days (first vacation in a while). After those rides, I'll either be warming up to the BLT or willing to trade.

WHat size, year is your Blur? Component highlights?

I have a lg black anno blt2 with Fox 140 mm QR15 fork, DT Swiss 370 hubs on 4.2d rims, X-9 components with SLX crank and carbon monkeylight handlebar
 

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Size is L, color is white, XT front derailer and shifter, X.9 rear shifter and derailer. Avid juicy 7 brakes, monkeylight carbon bar, easton seat, SC adjustable seat collar, mavic 717 disk wheels, XT cranks, Manitou Minute front shock w/ lockout, Fox Float R rear shock. Can do a component swap on most parts I think if need be.

My Blur currently has a hairline crack in the frame (see the thread in this forum) and is being town down tonight by local SC dealer and shipped out tomorrow. Replacement triangle will be shipped shortly and reassembled with all new rear suspension bushings by the same shop, Bicycle Johns in Burbank CA.

I'm very interested.
 

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I have had an anodized yellow-green 2004 Blur since 2004. You post made me realize I need to quit shopping for something newer, lighter and keep on loving my ride. I do want to upgrade to the "bigfoot" rear triangle though.
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I have had an anodized yellow-green 2004 Blur since 2004. You post made me realize I need to quit shopping for something newer, lighter and keep on loving my ride. I do want to upgrade to the "bigfoot" rear triangle though.
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do it, it nice having more mud clearance, or the 2.35 in that back, although you cant get ano citrus as they didn't do it after 04.
 

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I had a similar shock when I moved from my Superlight to a Heckler. The position was different, I was taller in the saddle. It took me about a year, though this was lengthened, I believe, from a defective fork which was shipped with my frame. With the new fork in place, I love my Heckler now, enough so, that I just passed my superlight on to a friend. Give it some time before you give it up.
 

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do it, it nice having more mud clearance, or the 2.35 in that back, although you cant get ano citrus as they didn't do it after 04.
What's a bigfoot rear triangle? I have a 2006 BLT1 and would love to run a 2.4 FA rear but it's too tight!

Thanks,

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you already have one, in 2003-04 when the blur classic came out they hand brake bosses for canti, then near the end of 04 they got rid of the bosses and widened the rear end to allow a wider tire, all LT1s 4Xs and XC have them

they were made to fit a 2.4 i think, but all tires are different. The 2.4 you want sound likes its really a little bigger, or you are running a rim that makes the profile different(making it too tight)
 

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CSeymour10 said:
you already have one, in 2003-04 when the blur classic came out they hand brake bosses for canti, then near the end of 04 they got rid of the bosses and widened the rear end to allow a wider tire, all LT1s 4Xs and XC have them

they were made to fit a 2.4 i think, but all tires are different. The 2.4 you want sound likes its really a little bigger, or you are running a rim that makes the profile different(making it too tight)
You're right; I'm running 819's and they're just a tad too narrow to run 2.4 Fat Alberts in the back (bummer cause that setup hewked up harder than a hewker in Vegas). Might try a Nobby Nic instead or just go to 2.25 in back.

Cheers,

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I have both bikes....

I'm a shade under six foot and have both bikes in the large frame (2004 Classic, 2009 LT2). I still ride both of them and there's no way I'm going to prefer the classic over the LT2. I knew going in that outside of sharing the same name and VPP suspension they are two completely different bikes. SC figured out the VPP on the LT2 leaving it with virtually no bob in the rear suspension; can't say the same for the classic. More standover height and BB clearance on the LT2 makes it a more friendly ride. Jump off a log ride and the LT2 will center right up under you. Additionally, the LT2 climbs better making better use of the negative suspension to keep the rear wheel in contact with the trail and the front end stays DOWN. All better...

Keep riding the bike you have; you'll get use to it. Why would you want to go back to yesterday's Pivot/Bearing technology?
 

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I'm loving it now....I use a thomson setback and removed a couple of spacers. With the bike stretched out a bit I now feel much more comfortable and well balanced. I rode my old blur the other day (sold it to a friend) and I can't imagine going back, although that may have to do with the SRAM drivetrain, which is excellent.
 

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I ride a BLT1 ('08). Of all the bikes I've owned my BLT was the hardest one to get to know. In fact I initially thought I'd made a big mistake in buying it and I wanted my Ellsworth back. I had the same complaints as everybody else: cockpit was too cramped, jacked around with different stem lengths, sat too tall, etc, etc. It sucks when you pony up serious coin for a new bike and then you are disappointed when it seemingly doesn't live up to the hype. Like others have posted it took a few months for me to really get comfortable with it. Now I love it. It's thebest MTB I've ever owned or ridden. It's made me a faster and more confident rider. Glad to see you are starting to come to terms with yours.
 

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I also ride a BLT1 but ('07). And find the bike to handle better with my fork on 100-110mm, I often get to the top of a hill and wind my Revelation out to 130mm only to overshoor or not make corners that I used to whip the bike around onetime. Get the talas, you might find the travel adjust helps to fine tune the headangle, which makes a hugh difference (in my experiance) but you'll get use to it.
 
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