Come On Man! This Cliffhanger Is Killing Me!!!!!
Something terrible happened. I had about a 1/2 hour of text written and my computer shut down due to low battery. I lost all the text and don't know if I have the desire to do it again.rockman said:He's probably waiting for someone to buy him a whopper and fries a burger king.
bummer TD. you need a blog, with autosave. blogspot.com or wordpress.com. I see it now...traildoc.wordpress.com. I'll read it!traildoc said:Something terrible happened. I had about a 1/2 hour of text written and my computer shut down due to low battery. I lost all the text and don't know if I have the desire to do it again.
Over and out for now.
Was the map on a tanish type paper with trails written in by hand with a maroon type color?Jayem said:About 5 days ago I think I was in Sedona, and I met a couple guys at the end of Ram's Head that were lost. They had some crazy map I'd never seen before, it looked like it was very old, without the new Ram's Head and Old Post trails, so needless to say they were "lost", even though they could see things on the map. I showed them that they were in fact not near Carrol Canyon, and were quite Southeast of where they wanted to be. I guess I can see this happening with all the trails that seem to have popped up, and having a decent map or guide is pretty important. I think it's starting to get this way in Prescott due to numerous re-routes and new trails. Some areas won't correspond with older maps at all.
Whatever it was, it looked REAL REAL old. In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, it looked like some sort of official topo-map, you know the larger-scale ones that have dashed lines and don't usually have all the trails. In that sense, I don't think it had anything hand-drawn. I'm not sure where they got it, but it looked like more of a standard topo map than a "trail-map", which wasn't helping them.traildoc said:Was the map on a tanish type paper with trails written in by hand with a maroon type color?
Please don't touch that switchback. That's the only challenging section of the trail. It is ridable as is. I cleaned it and I know others that have too. :thumbsup:traildoc said:I don't believe this spot will ever be rideable in the uphill direction, but I would like it to be less challenging in the downhill direction.
If that section could be lowered one foot I believe it could become rideable downhill by advanced skilled riders.
PB:Poi Boy said:Please don't touch that switchback. That's the only challenging section of the trail. It is ridable as is. I cleaned it and I know others that have too. :thumbsup:
The Prodigal Son said:traildoc, Jim probably told you that he and I were riding H.....E Saturday. He took me on several of the newer trails in that area. After cracking my rear hub riding in Phoenix last week I switched wheels and the cassette was so worn the chain was skipping as we approached H....E. We decided to run down to Absolute and get a new cassette before proceeding. I think the trail work is astonishing. The views up on top are the best in Sedona. I have no idea how you ride down that crack at the end without hitting that wall of rock on the left. I really enjoyed the run down from the high point. I experienced a little vertigo on the initial climb on the highly exposed sections. Jim wondered why I was not keeping up with him and I tried to explain by standing my Canzo next to his Specialized. My bike is 8" taller than his and I'm about 7" taller than he is. As a result, I was getting picked off by the low tree branches. First my helmet got snagged and then it was my wingnut bag getting hooked. I was nearly pulled off the bike and tossed off that steep ledge. I find on most of the trails in Sedona, there is a penalty for being a talled rider. That uphill brush dangles over the trail in a way a rider under 5'7" might not even notice it, but us tall guys get tangled in it and can't focus on the trail.
About that climb up Templeton. We were surprised by how well the new tread was manicured just below the spot where you all stalled out crossing that tree root. I think with enough accelleration, a rider could blast over those roots and move to the right side of the trail and possibly make it to that huge step-up switchback. I stared at that turn and step also, and concluded it is a significant challenge. I wondered about continuing the trail to the left, into that wash and finding a way to switchback the trail maybe 30-50 feet into that drainage before returning to the ledge with a better attack position. You wouldn't have to worry about both making the turn and climbing the ledge. Then you could "adjust" the ledge by shaping the rock with some sledge work to ramp it and allow a rider the chance to clean it as long as he came at it with good speed.
The ride around just before the steps and Buddha seems like a good solution but on my long frame 29er, I got hung up making the tight turn. I think I would have just removed the steps and sloped the trail but your solution will probably last longer.
Just curious, as we enjoyed the views from the top of H.....E, I commented to Jim that I once did some riding on the south side of Verde School Road years ago. Looking out at the amount of land to the south, I was wondering if there are any options for a long loop of 20-30 miles out in that area where a guy could get stretch out and gallop in bigger gears for hours, as an option to techy chunky riding that dominates Sedona? Jim and I attempted such a ride a few weeks back on the Hot Loop and ended up on badly eroded trails mired in mud. It didn't help that equestrians use that loop and had turned the trail into a muckfest.
Thank you for enriching our riding experience in Sedona. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the tip on the difficult switchback if that could work it would be a great option. I would like to meet up with you out there some time to discuss the different options. Do you think outsloping the climb up to the tight swithback is possible?
I don't know much about the property south of the Verde Valley School, so can't help there.
Since the S turn fix was pretty easy to do and it takes a high skill level to complete successfully it made for a challenging option. The FS was worried that they would get flack, if I dumbed it down too much. I told them not to worry about that, I kind of enjoy the criticism.
yes, please leave that switchback alone! It's the only real challenge coming down to Budda Beach...Poi Boy said:Please don't touch that switchback. That's the only challenging section of the trail. It is ridable as is. I cleaned it and I know others that have too. :thumbsup:
Begging Works for Me. When were the pictures taken?AZmtncycler said:yes, please leave that switchback alone! It's the only real challenge coming down to Budda Beach...
these were taken back in Oct. '07.traildoc said:Begging Works for Me. When were the pictures taken?
I also rode that spot then. When was the last time you rode it?AZmtncycler said:these were taken back in Oct. '07.