Watch you talking about Willis I need picc's am confused!Mtn. Biker123 said:This is a short summary from an extensive ride that I did on the Spot today. It's a totally different ride than the RFX. I really don't know where people are coming from?
The impression that I got right away was that the MX was not playing well with the air fork. I can't stand the combo. Tried it on the HL and although it jumps very well (as in DJ style lip action), it just is much too overwhelmed in the chunk. I'm not even completely sure that the MX tune shock is as good of a compliment as the Pushed air shock at this point. Something about the way the bike wants to resist the low speed compression and the inherent nature of that in the coil is just too much. Climbing was a chore believe it or not. We hit the 3sisters and I was beat...even more so than with the HL. It's just so much more compliant on steep, loose, tecnical climbs that I was constantly fighting to keep the front end planted and from wandering. It also does not want to "squat" at all. I found that the most difficult to get used to. Trying to go up and over feature on the same climb, was difficult as I could not preload to gain momentum. This bike needs to be pedaled and pedaled fast. It's not a technical climber...not this config anyway.
There should be some pix popping up soon and I managed to clean most everything on the normal loop, but it wasn't the same. Not a substituted for a dialed RFX in it's element.
I could not stay back on the steep rock rollers. Due to the "anti-squat". She wanted to sit way higher in the travel. However, this was a bonus in the cornering. It corners great as well.
She's a great DJ bike!
You can do better than that. I expected a critique of my critique, even from youtrailadvent said:Watch you talking about Willis I need picc's am confused!
A spot what spot HL TNT DWL I NEED tech data and a graph bro
What was overwhelmed? The rear mx coil or the Lyric 2-step air fork? What did you think of the Lyric?Mtn. Biker123 said:The impression that I got right away was that the MX was not playing well with the air fork. I can't stand the combo. Tried it on the HL and although it jumps very well (as in DJ style lip action), it just is much too overwhelmed in the chunk. I'm not even completely sure that the MX tune shock is as good of a compliment as the Pushed air shock at this point.
She's a great DJ bike!
The air fork. The Lyric (air) is not such a great fork for this bike with this shock. It's to tall and the air keeps you up until that anti squat kicks in and then it'll dive. I'm telling you that the rear of this bike want to stay up. If you resist it, it will beat you up. I don't know about most people but I don't always attack a hill in attack mode. I mostly just gear down crawl. I tend to stay on my bike a lot more, but I frustrate those that are trying to hammer. Hammering only works part of the time in our terrain, for me anyway. Slow steady and meticulous is the name of the game and you absolutely need to be able to up and over 6-8" square edges. This thing hits a square edge and hesitates just enough to lose traction.G-AIR said:What was overwhelmed? The rear mx coil or the Lyric 2-step air fork? What did you think of the Lyric?
Maybe the bike would be better with a similar fork set at 150 mm (Lyric solo air or Lyric U-turn)
I here ya bro, honestly I can't see any piccMtn. Biker123 said:You can do better than that. I expected a critique of my critique, even from you
This was the first time that I actually tried to learn about what the bike was doing mechanically and what I was feeling vs just riding. FWIW...I like just riding as it's a lot more fun! The bike was awesome for a beefy racer! I just couldn't keep up with the damn thing.
jncarpenter said:Are you , by chance, lighter than PJ? Personally, I think you would have been better off taking the air shock & playing around with different sag/pressures...
I hear that buddy, pedaling my Dj SS around where i used to ride the Spot and RFX pre injury and DHching whipped me into shape.Mtn. Biker123 said:We are the same weight. I've lost a bit pedaling the HL.
TA.. I respect what you are saying, but that coil was NOT right on that bike. It was obvious. I could have dialed out the low speed compression a bit I think it would have wallowed during g-outs.
Gotcha! It mostly boils down to style...IMO.LncNuvue said:Going from my single pivot to the DW spot took some time in the tech climbing department. It's a different style. The Ciclon I was on was a squat machine but was very active climbing the rocks and got really good traction. However, you pretty much always had to be out of the saddle going up steep rough to keep the bike balanced. It definitely took time to learn the nuances of climbing the DW in really tech ledgy conditions. For quite some time I preferred the tech climbing style of my single pivot.
When descending I found the DW likes to have the rear wheel weighted pretty good. If you unweight it it can bounce around especially if you're not running enough rebound dampening. To negate that I run a little more rebound which keeps the rear wheel glued. You have to be careful here tho because too much will cause the bike to wallow and feel dead. For a while I was running too much dampening. I went to one click less dampening and a little more sag and presto, the bike came alive on the climbs and descents without wallow or being too lively where the rear end skipped around. Getting the sag and rebound relationship right is pretty key I think. I've been on the bike for nearly a year now and just a couple months ago got the shock exactly where it will perform best all around. Pushed, 1.2x18x135 shim, psi 35lbs less than rtrw, 3 clicks of rebound.
I admit, a little squat action is nice when you're descending, braking into a corner or pedaling out of one. But the DW does a great too once you get the shock dialed. It's a style thing... dial the shock then adjust your style a little.
That's focking core! Smoking and drinking on the ride. I heard that was mtb123's MO!pjlama said:Sorry, kids work etc. I forgot my camera s these were taken with my iPhone so please excuse the quality. As far as riding impressions, I really like my bike but do not ride like 123. My interest was to give him as much experience as possible on a DW Spot plus despite what people may think he's a good guy to go on a ride with
smoking is so focking rad...between the new breed of homers, old skewl National Champ cactus, its DEFINITELY the boss thing to do!iheartbicycles said:That's focking core! Smoking and drinking on the ride. I heard that was mtb123's MO!