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I am a gullible, guilt-free (kind of) consumer so when the LBS dude told me that I could reduce weight, lower tire pressure, get greater rolling action and eliminate pinched flats, I really could not see why I shouldn't fork out some money for new tires and go tubless.

Anyone disagree with the LBS guy's assessment?
 

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I am a gullible, guilt-free (kind of) consumer so when the LBS dude told me that I could reduce weight, lower tire pressure, get greater rolling action and eliminate pinched flats, I really could not see why I shouldn't fork out some money for new tires and go tubless.

Anyone disagree with the LBS guy's assessment?
Well the real question is what type of tubeless, and whether to slim or not not slim.
 

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Well the real question is what type of tubeless, and whether to slim or not not slim.
I am not sure what this means, but he hooked me up with an S-works Captain 2.0 up front and an S-works Fastrack Low Knobby in back with a little Stans goop in both.
 

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I am not sure what this means, but he hooked me up with an S-works Captain 2.0 up front and an S-works Fastrack Low Knobby in back with a little Stans goop in both.
Your profile says "XTR all the way" on your bike...so if the LBS set you up with 2Bliss versions of those tires on XTR wheels...then that would indeed be a nice setup.
 

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surfstar1 said:
I am a gullible, guilt-free (kind of) consumer so when the LBS dude told me that I could reduce weight, lower tire pressure, get greater rolling action and eliminate pinched flats, I really could not see why I shouldn't fork out some money for new tires and go tubless.

Anyone disagree with the LBS guy's assessment?
Been argued many times before.
I ride both.

You can do all of those things with choice of tires and retain tubes but then again depends on terrain, riding style, tires and tubes you are replacing etc etc.

I've ridden lots of tires and set ups and going to a bigger lightweight quality tire at lower pressure has the more effect than going tubeless.

Main benefit of tubeless is less punctures followed by pinch flats if you are using skinny tires with lower pressure.
 

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Okay, rode tubeless now for a few days and I have had a couple revelations. 1) Tubeless is awesome. My bike (S-works epic 2009) performs significantly better. Significantly better traction and feels like it rolls much faster. 2) Nevegals roll like a square brick. The S-works 2.0 Captian Control on the front is insane. It provides a much more precise handling experience over the Nevegal (which I thought the Nevegal was actually pretty good until I tried the CC). Also, no pinched flats - sweeeeet. I will never go back, I AM THE TUBELESS BIIIIAAAATCH.
 

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I disagree with it, it's only good for the punctures aspect the rest are myth's but you want them to be true so you'll believe them regardless.

I've jumped on tubeless setup bikes for a blast and been asked, what do I think of the tubeless, answer is always " is it ?? " can't tell any difference at all.

I don't get punctures anyway and haven't got to buy a compressor and all the other hassle which goes with it.
 

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I disagree with it, it's only good for the punctures aspect the rest are myth's but you want them to be true so you'll believe them regardless.

I've jumped on tubeless setup bikes for a blast and been asked, what do I think of the tubeless, answer is always " is it ?? " can't tell any difference at all.

I don't get punctures anyway and haven't got to buy a compressor and all the other hassle which goes with it.
Let the guy enjoy his UST set-up. Just becasue it does not work for you no need to be a hater. Enjoy your tubes. :madman:
 

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No hate, if I had a puncture issue and I've not had 1 for years some how or pinch flatter which I've never had ever and I run my tyres pretty low with tubes then I'd go that way, but the rest are myths just dispelling myths.

I ride big fat chunky heavy tyres like Rubber Queen 2.4's and the like, although i'd expect my RK2.2 to get punctures.
 

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The primary reason I went to 2bliss was pinched flats. 2bliss should help that problem. The by product, however is I get to run lower pressure now which has improved traction. Also, not having the tubes has reduced weight in the best spot (I only threw in a tiny amount of stans goop and am running the light s-works tires - my buddies don't use any stans and they swear by going ghetto tubeless).
 

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Glad to hear that your first tubeless goop experience went well. I totally agree with you that there are noticeable performance benefits. Too bad for those who chalk it up as a myth because they haven't experienced it themselves. They don't know what they're missing. I've run a variety of setups both with tubes and tubeless and I can definitely tell the difference. Kudos!
 

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Maybe there is nothing to notice and it's just a placebo effect.

Talking of myths :-

Just bought a 456 frame to replace my GT Alu frame, mate swears huge comfort boost, absolutely nothing in it, but I can run 2.4+ tyres rather than 2.1's so more comfort, but really the frame CAN NOT move.

Also, mate she went over the bars, so fitting a longer stem to help slow the steering down, it'll move her weight forwards and more likely to go over the bars :)

Double blind test Tubeless and I'd put money on, no one could tell which is which.
 

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I would also love to see a double blind test. And I would take your bet, and then my winnings, and buy something shiny for my bike. Maybe something made of titanium.
 

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Hmmmm Ti Seat post for my rigid frame, to slightly improve ass comfort for me.

Line up your best tyre geek, cause I'm very confident.
 

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Everyone talks about the weight savings of eliminating the tubes. I've been looking at some tires and it seems that if there's a tubeless and standard version of a tire, the tubeless is usually heavier by about the same weight as the average tube. Then add in the slime/sealant.

I have UST wheels and I'm thinking about switching to tubeless when I burn through the tires that I currently have, but I'm not necissarily seeing the weight savings.
 

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converted to TUBELESS today.... bought the CRANK BROTHER IODINE rims and wasnt sure my CHEYENNE tires would work as tubeless... my LBS thru in the STANS and i now have tubeless tires... :cool:
 

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How can i pass up the opportunity to regurgitate the same old information?

weight- maybe you'll save some weight, but that's not really the point. If you're shedding weight you're probably sacrificing some durability or some sidewall support.

pressure- to get the same handling personality from your tube-notube style tires, you'll want to run the same or MORE pressure. Foldy sidewall tubeless tires grip good with low pressures, but smear around like riding on paste, and run the risk of burping when you land crooked or ping off a rock under heavy braking. UST tires handle pretty much the same as their tubed counterparts at the same pressures, sweet. Either way pinch flats are a thing of the past.

Glop- running minimal glop is pretty easy if you have a setup that is tubeless-friendly, but you'll want to top it up ever other month or so. I prefer to run a little more glop and do a little less maintenance, but most folk would rather blame a few grams of wheel weight than acknowledge their own fitness.

I've been running 65psi on a packing tape converted tubeless setup using wtb allterrainasaurus for about 5 months now, no problems. I've put about 2k on the set up. Wire beads are cool. YMMV.
 

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Glad to hear that your first tubeless goop experience went well. I totally agree with you that there are noticeable performance benefits. Too bad for those who chalk it up as a myth because they haven't experienced it themselves. They don't know what they're missing. I've run a variety of setups both with tubes and tubeless and I can definitely tell the difference. Kudos!
I ride both. The only difference is I have to have a few more psi in tubeless rather than same tires tubed. I run lower pressurre tubed.
If there is any difference the tubed at lower pressure actually feels better.

I can see why people notice a difference If they had to run tubeless to lower the pressure or were running very heavy tubes or changed the tires when switching to tubeless otherwise ???.
 
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