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rode hulls tonight and i was pretty dang slow on it for what i like. maybe a year off does that.

actually a pretty tech little trail when the speed gets up. the better/best riders in the valley prolly have good technique for keeping that front wheel grippng on those off-camber corners and rippng at good speed.

anybody rider looking for technical features to launch off of will open their eyes and see plenty and this is after the "illegal" ones were taken away, these are natural.
the armoed right turn (I think we built with Smily cool a few years back) it's still in place nicely. yeah i want to know how to skate over that like it not even there!

tonight, call me Mr. braking, afriad the fronts gonna wash, too anticipatory about someone coming round the bend, why do you have those big pads on your toptube, why aren't you riding faster, your front wheel feels like it's gonna push and awsh out kinda guy!
 

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Well not exaggerated to that point, Mr. irreverant; I was having fun but def going slower than I can - a lot of that was because people are coming up! Actually, to be totally honest Dirk, you DO have one up on me since you don't worry about anything and just enjoy riding your bike -whereas me, I feel my age and time going fast and want to get as good (technically) as my abilities (and courage) will let me!

Same thing happened to me with surfing, actually. Living in Socal and seeing almost all professional surfing events at "The Pier" (Huntington Beach Pier). I have seen the best surfers in the world, compete and free surf, since the 70's, and these guys are ABSOLUTELY EXPLOSIVE. Unbelievable power, speed, flow. I just could not surf like that and I was frustrated all through my surfing career! Except for the days when I was in the zone and the flow, but even those it was more setting up for one or two moves while missing the big picture.

Those guys would FLY down the beach in big, fast surf, doing super hard, square bottom turns, explosive off the tops and roundhouse cutbacks without losing any speed. Maybe you'll find a parallel in your skiing I dunno
 

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mtnbkrdr98 said:
rode hulls tonight and i was pretty dang slow on it for what i like. maybe a year off does that.

actually a pretty tech little trail when the speed gets up. the better/best riders in the valley prolly have good technique for keeping that front wheel grippng on those off-camber corners and rippng at good speed.

anybody rider looking for technical features to launch off of will open their eyes and see plenty and this is after the "illegal" ones were taken away, these are natural.
the armoed right turn (I think we built with Smily cool a few years back) it's still in place nicely. yeah i want to know how to skate over that like it not even there!

tonight, call me Mr. braking, afriad the fronts gonna wash, too anticipatory about someone coming round the bend, why do you have those big pads on your toptube, why aren't you riding faster, your front wheel feels like it's gonna push and awsh out kinda guy!

hulls in the early evening is not the trail to get your speed up. specially the right handers (which are the blind corners on this trail)! if you "skate over that like it's not even there" you'll more than likely skate right into another rider or hiker.
if you want a trail to go faster on, try 3 Bears (less blind corners), 5 Mile/Orchard, Hard Guy or even Scott's (except for that on turn 100 yards before the midway gate).
 

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Hey Gary, yes, completely agreed! Even if one does let it go in the evening, there's that nagging mental red flag that "I could slam somebody at any time", and that would only result trail being closed to mtn bikers.

Other than that, I find Hulls to be actually more technical than I realized when you add a LOT of speed. My challenge is making those right handers and off camber sections while keeping that front wheel biting! (rear can drift, that's fine). And since I don't have BMX style (wish I did), I can't manual multiple bumps so have to suck them up.

Going really super fast down hulls is both an attitude, plus looking ahead (not down at the front wheel), and using good body english to compress the bike.

Maybe Friday evenings or Sunday afternoons are better for performance riding on that trail?
 

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Hey Gary, yes, completely agreed! Even if one does let it go in the evening, there's that nagging mental red flag that "I could slam somebody at any time", and that would only result trail being closed to mtn bikers.

Other than that, I find Hulls to be actually more technical than I realized when you add a LOT of speed. My challenge is making those right handers and off camber sections while keeping that front wheel biting! (rear can drift, that's fine). And since I don't have BMX style (wish I did), I can't manual multiple bumps so have to suck them up.

Going really super fast down hulls is both an attitude, plus looking ahead (not down at the front wheel), and using good body english to compress the bike.

Maybe Friday evenings or Sunday afternoons are better for performance riding on that trail?
there is NEVER a good time to SPEED down hulls. N E V E R ! ! and drifting the rear tire isnt a good for the trail either.
 

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For the safety of all trail users Hulls should probably be one way for mtbers. Up only. I hate to say that, but it might keep us from being banished from the trail all together. Frist time some one on a 40 lb. gravity bike (or any bike) hitts a hiker it's all over for us. I've never seen anyone on the board, or anyone else I know, going to fast or out of control down Hulls. But I have caught and verbally abused a couple idiots I dont know for that.
 

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Hey Patrick, you being an advanced rider you know I mean not skidding, the kind of drift that isn't initiated with much if any rear brake
 

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I think Hulls is a super fun trail.

But the only time I am out on the trails, whether on foot or the bike, is immediately after work....just like a buttload of other folks this time of the year. To ride it in any other time during the week is just not doable for me.

The last time I was on Hulls I was doing a hike before the SWIMBA meeting at the Foothills Learning Center. I was out on it for about 1.5 hours and this is how it went:
Hike for a couple of mins
Stop for bike or two or three
Hike for a couple of mins
Stop for dogs running loose
Hike for a couple of mins
Step aside for runners
Hike for a couple of mins
Stop for more bikers
Hike for a couple of mins
....well you get the idea.

Dirk bumped up a handful of threads that have discussed issues regarding Hulls over the past couple of years so nothing really ain't new except for Warren's lil' encounter yesterday.

Hulls seems to be the most polarizing trail we have in the Lower Footies. And I don't think there is an easy solution to make all users happy. Therefore I choose to ride elsewhere. For me, Hulls is too much of a hassle to be really enjoyable.
 

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Yes, unfortunately agreed. Going fast should not equal out of control either.

A lot of riders were actually climbing up the steep section to top of Sidewinder last night too. I like to rip as fast as my brain will let me down that, barring my lack of current ability to manual multiple bumps (but I can manual the first of a series and suck up and pump the backside of the other one - or jump them). Anyway, that's still pretty wide open but if folks start climbing it then that's going to become the same situation.

Same ol same ol story every year -the footies are fun but too crowded. We really DO need more good trails.

That being said, I kinda like what RtoR did with the top of Hulls/Kestral.
 

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Hey Patrick, you being an advanced rider you know I mean not skidding, the kind of drift that isn't initiated with much if any rear brake
and being an advanced rider ( using the quote ) I know that ANY of the foothills trails is not the place for that kind of riding and speed. save it for the dh course.
 

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off leash dog areas

I've noticed that the Hull's Parking area by the Foothills Learning Center now states that once you leave the parking area in both directions (up kestrel and up hulls) that the trails are controlled off leash areas. I was surprised by Hulls being OK for off leash. I can't fund updated maps to confirm or deny this. Can anyone confirm?
 

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This is what I found on the R2R site....

Leash Requirements for Dogs

The vast majority of Foothills trails are Controlled Off-leash. This means that dog owners must have a leash with them at all times, and their dogs must be under voice command and no further than 30 feet away. This ensures that dogs will not harass wildlife, trample sensitive plant species or become tangled with other trail users.

Within the Hulls Gulch Reserve and Military Reserve, several trails have On-Leash requirements. These requirements are designed to protect riparian vegetation and to minimize conflicts in these heavily used areas. All trailheads within both of these Reserves are also On-Leash. Failure to comply with leash restrictions is a violation of Boise City ordinance, and violators are subject to a $25 fine.


The following trails are On-Leash:

Military Reserve: Freestone Trail #22B, Toll Road Trail #27A, Cottonwood Trail #27

Hulls Gulch/Camelsback Reserve: All Camelsback Trails, Red Winged Blackbird Trail #35A, Gold Finch Trail #35, Hulls Pond Loop #34, Lower Red Fox Trail #36

All other Ridge to Rivers Trails are Controlled Off-Leash. Your pet must be within 30 feet of you, and you must carry a leash and waste bag at all times.


Under the guidelines (470k PDF file), dog owners must ensure that pets are:

* Within 30 feet and within sight
* Prevented from harassing people, wildlife or other pets
* Leashed on all trails during critical winter months (Jan. 1-April 15)

Surveys show that nearly 3 of 10 Foothills visitors recreate with a dog yet only 3 of 10 dogs are leashed.

The controlled off-leash trail concept is being launched on a trial basis; its continued implementation depends on how responsibly dog owners observe the guidelines.
 

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This is what I found on the R2R site....
Wait - just reread that - I did not see that on the R2R site. Anyway, that seems to be mroe consistent with the signage that is posted...

Still don't understand why folks bother to pick up poop in the green bag, then just leave it on the side of the trail (I'm sure with the thought that they will pick it up when they walk back by, but that NEVER happens).
 

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That's hilarious, LOL!
 

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Less Trail Sanitizing

Why can't the trail wipes just leave things along. The wife and I came down hulls last night and found her favorite tech section had been wiped clean. You know, the quick little up with the two side by side boulders and grouping of smaller baby heads right behind them. Looked like some of the nasty little baby heads had been removed and the boulder on the right had been moved further to the right. This trail doesn't have to be handicap accessible does it? If it gets too tough, let bikers walk it. Don't take away the few remaining funs spots. I think the trail wipes are prepping it for an asphalt connection to the Boise River Greenbelt.
 

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Why can't the trail wipes just leave things along. The wife and I came down hulls last night and found her favorite tech section had been wiped clean. You know, the quick little up with the two side by side boulders and grouping of smaller baby heads right behind them. Looked like some of the nasty little baby heads had been removed and the boulder on the right had been moved further to the right. This trail doesn't have to be handicap accessible does it? If it gets too tough, let bikers walk it. Don't take away the few remaining funs spots. I think the trail wipes are prepping it for an asphalt connection to the Boise River Greenbelt.
You mean this section?
Me and another ranger met at that exact section today and we were just shaking our heads... This section was such a natural speed bump on the fast part of the trail for most riders. Now it's just another mini berm shot. I'll forward to the R2R trailcrew to see if there is anything that can be done to restore the section to what it was before (but their plate is already full also). If the folk(s) that smoothed out the section only spent the time volunteering for one of the official trail maintenance sessions instead of doing this, it would've been time better invested.
 

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Why can't the trail wipes just leave things along. The wife and I came down hulls last night and found her favorite tech section had been wiped clean. You know, the quick little up with the two side by side boulders and grouping of smaller baby heads right behind them. Looked like some of the nasty little baby heads had been removed and the boulder on the right had been moved further to the right. This trail doesn't have to be handicap accessible does it? If it gets too tough, let bikers walk it. Don't take away the few remaining funs spots. I think the trail wipes are prepping it for an asphalt connection to the Boise River Greenbelt.

I came down Hulls this afternoon and noticed the same thing. I thought it was just me, but that section now has a trail right through the middle of it. It’s bummer as that was a fun section. I noticed that many of the rocky sections have gotten much smoother. It is certainly not that my skill level has improved, but rather many of the rocks are no longer there.
 

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I would have never thought I'd be getting people together to put stuff back in...
 
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