When im going slow ill lean the bike over but my body stays vertical. As my speed increases the degree of which i lean WITH the bike increases. Make sure theyre hovering over the bike with legs and arms bend and not stiff/straight and the pedals are level with the alpha/favored foot forward.Dude said:I have been trying to teach one of my buddies to lean into turns rather than turn into turns. He starts to do it then gets in this really strange position and tightens up. I can tell that he isn't comfortable as of yet so I have had him follow me thru a turn, watched him take the turn and pointed things out and I have also left him on his own..... How should I proceed ?
-Dude
You can't turn on a bike without leaning into the turn. That means that the combined center of gravity of the rider and the bike has to be to the inside of the turn. How far inside depends only on the speed and the radius of the turn--not on technique.Dude said:I have been trying to teach one of my buddies to lean into turns rather than turn into turns. He starts to do it then gets in this really strange position and tightens up. I can tell that he isn't comfortable as of yet so I have had him follow me thru a turn, watched him take the turn and pointed things out and I have also left him on his own..... How should I proceed ?
-Dude
YES DRILL SERGEANT!!!PickledFish said:stand on the outside corner of the turn and as he gets ready to turn, PUSH HIM, sending him into a horizontal trackstand. Then yell at him saying, "I said lean! Why don't you f***ing listen to me you stupid piece of s***. Now get up and lean!!!"
YUP !!!! This is true...although everyone I've told this to in the past looks at me like I'm crazy....hehheh (that's besides the pointSteve from JH said:Furthermore you can't start a turn by leaning; you have to countersteer slightly. Everyone who can ride a bike does this whether they know it or not.
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I agree completely with jrm. What I think you're dealing with here is someone who is afraid to ride fast through turns, rather than failing to use a particular technique.Dude said:I have been trying to teach one of my buddies to lean into turns rather than turn into turns. He starts to do it then gets in this really strange position and tightens up. I can tell that he isn't comfortable as of yet so I have had him follow me thru a turn, watched him take the turn and pointed things out and I have also left him on his own..... How should I proceed ?
-Dude
. Seriously though, like everyone else says, its a matter of gaining confidence. First, find out if he's more afraid of pavement or grass. Pavement has better grip so you're less likely to fall but grass is softer. Then, I'd do circle and slalom drills. Heck, if he really wants to go faster but can't have him spend $40 on some leg and arm protection and then practice on grass. He'll look like a dork but it does wonders for his confidence. That's how I learned to go faster. Sure, some people laugh at you but the key is learning just what it takes to actually crash. I learned that I could go way faster than I ever thought possible.
I haven't even looked at the other posts on the response to this question, but I can tell you that without a doubt you learn to lean on a motorcycle very quickly. Even though one has an engine and one doesn't, it is the same dynamic because on a bike, you are the engine. This is a constant argument at our shop because I understand the dyanmics of leaning the bike rather than relying on the geometry of the bike as delivered from the manufacturer. IMHO there is way too much made of the inherent designed-in geometry vs. the ability of the rider to steer the bike by leaning and using his body location over the bike. Obviously there are very XC oriented geometries available to certain frame designs that would void what I stated earlier, but a slack geometry doesn't always mean a "bad" thing.Dude said:I have been trying to teach one of my buddies to lean into turns rather than turn into turns. He starts to do it then gets in this really strange position and tightens up. I can tell that he isn't comfortable as of yet so I have had him follow me thru a turn, watched him take the turn and pointed things out and I have also left him on his own..... How should I proceed ?
-Dude
Dude said:I have been trying to teach one of my buddies to lean into turns rather than turn into turns. He starts to do it then gets in this really strange position and tightens up. I can tell that he isn't comfortable as of yet so I have had him follow me thru a turn, watched him take the turn and pointed things out and I have also left him on his own..... How should I proceed ?
-Dude
