[ROrtiz10]

I'm new to Arizona and have definitely caught the mtb bug. I live in the west valley and can't get enough of the flow at FINS. The jumps at Papago are pretty sweet and I'm trying to plan a much anticipated trip to NRA. What I don't get is how Phoenix or even Arizona doesn't have a REAL 4X (Four Cross) track!? I would think with all the bmx tracks(trying to do 4X but it's not the same), shuttles, and demand for dirt jumps there would be at least one. I grew up racing bmx all over the state of Florida and would love to get into this! It looks like it's pretty big in Europe and they have one in Fontana, CA but to bad it's at least 5 hours away. So...

What's up with that Arizona?

 

[urbanseeds]

1:17 is awesome.

 

[midget]

lawyers.......

 

[longhairmike]

and the extremely high ratio of sharp cutty things to actual dirt in the ground....

 

[ROrtiz10]

lawyers.......

We have bmx tracks and trails that lawyers don't put to an end. Other cities in the states have cool extreme bike parks and tracks it just blows my mind that Phoenix doesn't have the same.

 

[kubo]

I thought I remember estrella doing 4x racing a little while back. But it sounded like they were having a tough time finding people...? Correct me if I am wrong

 

[luckybastard]

I thought I remember estrella doing 4x racing a little while back. But it sounded like they were having a tough time finding people...? Correct me if I am wrong

He's talking about track on a incline. The BMXs track here let 26" ride, and it's fun as hell...but they are all flat tracks with a starting hill. Not build on the side of a big hill like in the videos.

 

[ROrtiz10]

I thought I remember estrella doing 4x racing a little while back. But it sounded like they were having a tough time finding people...? Correct me if I am wrong

Yeah I've been out there a couple times in the past few weeks with Luckybastard. It's pretty fun but REAL 4X is built on a decline. The Estrella track is just a bmx track. Like I said it's still tons of fun but I want to get on real 4X track like the ones in the video's above. More speed with less pedaling. We have plenty of mountains and you don't need THAT MUCH land. Hopefully AZnewbie can eventually get that bike skills park rolling that'll include a (one more time) REAL 4X track. I'm just going to have to make a trip to Fontana, Ca in the mean time. That, or maybe a little NRA pit action is all I need.

 

[kubo]

I rode the one in Fontana, but it was extremely rocky and loose.

 

[Casual Observer]

He's talking about track on a incline. The BMXs track here let 26" ride, and it's fun as hell...but they are all flat tracks with a starting hill. Not build on the side of a big hill like in the videos.

Does Tucson still have one? When I was a kid, there was a really cool BMX track at Reid (or Randolph) Park, right in the middle of to. If memory serves, they started at the top of a hill, and the course had with sloped turns, jumps, etc.

It's been 15-20 years since I've been back to the park, so I have no idea if it's still even there.

 

[ROrtiz10]

Does Tucson still have one? When I was a kid, there was a really cool BMX track at Reid (or Randolph) Park, right in the middle of to. If memory serves, they started at the top of a hill, and the course had with sloped turns, jumps, etc.

It's been 15-20 years since I've been back to the park, so I have no idea if it's still even there.

Yeah I looked and there is 2 bmx tracks in Tucson but they aren't 4X. Thanks for the heads up though!

 

[DustyBones]

lawyers.......

And money $$$$$$$:skep:

 

[Casual Observer]

Yeah I looked and there is 2 bmx tracks in Tucson but they aren't 4X. Thanks for the heads up though!

Might be worth asking if they would be interested.

I never understood the "insurance" issue. I can think of at least two skateboard parks in Phx: on on the greenbelt, and the other in Tempe. As far as I know, they are run by the city, free to use, and I'm sure there is a disclaimer regarding injuries. I don't have proof, but I'd venture to say that the majority of the folks using those are minors. And yet they are still open.

 

[longhairmike]

disclaimers rarely hold up against sympathetic juries in injury lawsuits.

to truly protect yourself you'll want a signed waiver releasing the party of responsibility in the event the participant is injured or killed while engaging in a potentially risky activity.
and a waiver would have to be signed by a legal parent or guardian if the participant in a minor

 

[brianb21]

Does Tucson still have one? When I was a kid, there was a really cool BMX track at Reid (or Randolph) Park, right in the middle of to. If memory serves, they started at the top of a hill, and the course had with sloped turns, jumps, etc.

It's been 15-20 years since I've been back to the park, so I have no idea if it's still even there.

The reid park BMX track has been gone for as long as i can remember. I raced my first bmx bike there loL! That was alot of fun.

 

[doodooboi]

disclaimers rarely hold up against sympathetic juries in injury lawsuits.

to truly protect yourself you'll want a signed waiver releasing the party of responsibility in the event the participant is injured or killed while engaging in a potentially risky activity.
and a waiver would have to be signed by a legal parent or guardian if the participant in a minor

Great advice to the topic of disclamiers.

So with that said, how does these skate/bike parks seems to exsist with out having a state employed personel enforcing the disclaimer? Also I have been to the skate park on the green belt and don't recall that there was any posted sign of "skate at your own risk" nor was there a disclamier to the potential danger of using the park or proper use of protective equipment while using the facility.

Just curious to all the folks that mention the difficulty of producing a bike park of some sort. How is this different to any of the present skate/bike parks with all the potential death hazards and injuries be available and a bike park where 99% of user would be using alot more and better protection then if they would be using a skate park.

I'm Just saying'

 

[azdog]

Great advice to the topic of disclamiers.

Or just hide the body.

 

[Casual Observer]

Great advice to the topic of disclamiers.

So with that said, how does these skate/bike parks seems to exsist with out having a state employed personel enforcing the disclaimer? Also I have been to the skate park on the green belt and don't recall that there was any posted sign of "skate at your own risk" nor was there a disclamier to the potential danger of using the park or proper use of protective equipment while using the facility.

Just curious to all the folks that mention the difficulty of producing a bike park of some sort. How is this different to any of the present skate/bike parks with all the potential death hazards and injuries be available and a bike park where 99% of user would be using alot more and better protection then if they would be using a skate park.

I'm Just saying'

That was my questions. And throw in that I'd venture to say that most of the kids that go to these skate parks are minors, and therefore likely would not be allowed to sign a waiver or disclaimer anyway, without their parent's approval and co-signature. And yet, they are still open, and apparently run by the city.

 

[luckybastard]

I go to skate parks around here pretty often and they don't enforce the helmet thing at all.

 

[longhairmike]

damned if i know,, im not a lawyer,, i own a dollstore.
I just know if you go skydiving, bungeeing, rides in an experimental plane (maybe even ziplining), you'll be signing a legal waiver before they let you go up.

a skateboard wipeout and a 25mph bike crash are whole different degrees of hurt